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Irving is basically saying he supports more moderate Republicans because they're less divisive and more likely to win general elections against Democrats, which we've seen play out every election since 2016, which was more of a fluke than a sign of things to come for a number of reasons.

Maybe you guys would realize that if you weren't so obsessed with parroting Trump's worldview.
 

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Irving is basically saying he supports more moderate Republicans because they're less divisive and more likely to win general elections against Democrats, which we've seen play out every election since 2016, which was more of a fluke than a sign of things to come for a number of reasons.

Maybe you guys would realize that if you weren't so obsessed with parroting Trump's worldview.
First off, this has jack shit to do with Trump. Second, We have been trying that centrist shit since Reagan left office and look what it has gotten us. I'm tired of the right pandering to the center. The god damn left certainly doesn't, and they are winning bigly.
 

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First off, this has jack shit to do with Trump. Second, We have been trying that centrist shit since Reagan left office and look what it has gotten us. I'm tired of the right pandering to the center. The god damn left certainly doesn't, and they are winning bigly.
Since Reagan there have been 9 presidential elections and Republicans have won 4, pretty much right down the middle.

From what I can tell Irving dislikes Trump, presumably because of how he acts but also because he's cost them every election since he won in 2016 more or less. When Trump inevitably calls DeSantis a RINO in the next 6-12 months you'll see what I'm saying about parroting Trump's worldview, which is basically that he and his supporters (but only the undying ones) are the only real Republicans.
 

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Since Reagan there have been 9 presidential elections and Republicans have won 4, pretty much right down the middle.

From what I can tell Irving dislikes Trump, presumably because of how he acts but also because he's cost them every election since he won in 2016 more or less. When Trump inevitably calls DeSantis a RINO in the next 6-12 months you'll see what I'm saying about parroting Trump's worldview, which is basically that he and his supporters (but only the undying ones) are the only real Republicans.
Again, this has nothing to do with Trump. I know people like talking about him and keeping him in their mouths because is so polarizing, but none of this conversation has anything to do with him. Oh, and the part I bolded is demonstrably false.

The reason we have won 4 out of the last 9 is because we have moved to the center. Great way to win elections, but not great for what I consider best for our country. While the left has gone way further left. Conservatives are losing a huge culture war, and if we don't fight back tooth and nail, we will also lose our country.
 

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Irving is basically saying he supports more moderate Republicans because they're less divisive and more likely to win general elections against Democrats, which we've seen play out every election since 2016, which was more of a fluke than a sign of things to come for a number of reasons.

Maybe you guys would realize that if you weren't so obsessed with parroting Trump's worldview.
Trump's world view is America First.
 

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I want Trump to walk the fuck away, to be honest.
It's never going to happen and in the meantime he'll vilify any opposition as a RINO, which is my point, that you all are calling Irving a RINO because he supported Kasich or whatever, all of whom are clearly Republicans even if they aren't the exact type of Republican you prefer.
 

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His worldview is Trump first and then maybe America after that, and you're going to see it when he attacks DeSantis like his last name is Clinton over the next year.
Trump is the only president to actually lose personal money while being president. Obama became a millionaire. Biden sold the country to China.
 

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It's mind numbing how someone can see MAGA and think anything other than Make America Great Again. They read America First and scoff. The man loves his country. We were energy independent for the first time in our history. How can you simpletons hate on that so much?
 

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His worldview is Trump first and then maybe America after that, and you're going to see it when he attacks DeSantis like his last name is Clinton over the next year.
He'll probably start by reminding everyone that there would be no Gov. DeSantis if it weren't for Donald Trump... and he'd be right.
 

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It's never going to happen and in the meantime he'll vilify any opposition as a RINO, which is my point, that you all are calling Irving a RINO because he supported Kasich or whatever, all of whom are clearly Republicans even if they aren't the exact type of Republican you prefer.
I did not call Irving_Cowboy a RINO. I called every single republican he seems to support a RINO.
 

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Just remember, on Presidents Day, Biden secretly flew to Ukraine and they sounded bomb sirens to make him look tough.
Meanwhile, Trump was in East Palenstine, Ohio with supplies and water (and bought the town lunch). Ronny DeSantis can run in 2028. The country needs Trump now.
 

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Irving is basically saying he supports more moderate Republicans because they're less divisive and more likely to win general elections against Democrats, which we've seen play out every election since 2016, which was more of a fluke than a sign of things to come for a number of reasons.

Maybe you guys would realize that if you weren't so obsessed with parroting Trump's worldview.
Romney has zero chance of winning though, and I don't think Trump can win either.

DeSantis is our best candidate, Trump needs to go away
 

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It's funny how old guard Republicans are seen as "less divisive"
like it's a good thing. The old guard will agree to anything as long as you line their pockets with cash.
 

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He'll probably start by reminding everyone that there would be no Gov. DeSantis if it weren't for Donald Trump... and he'd be right.
He did help his first election, but then DeSantis ran with and made Florida solid red and won by 20 fucking points while taking on Disney, DEI, kids transitioning and the Teachers Union
 
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