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I keep asking you what law has been violated? You are still evading or you don’t know. What statues, what title a section under the USC CODE? At this point if Trump did exactly what Cohen says it is a morals thing. Someone at some point might come up with an illegal act that is a violation of something but I have yet to see any crime named.
He's a co-conspirator to a federal crime since he was involved in planning/executing said crime, or he could be charged for aiding and abetting, take your pick really. If he wasn't President he'd have been indicted, if you weren't willing to stick your head in the sand in the name of the Republican party you'd acknowledge this.

And no, Cohen's word doesn't make him guilty but I'd be truly surprised if the state moved forward in this manner without corroborating evidence.
 
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And for the record I don't give two fucks about impeachment. That'd take damn near a year anyway and by that point we'd already be in the 2020 election cycle, which he's going to lose anyway.

I only care about this because I find it laughable that so many people are willing to give this buffoon every benefit of the doubt when he's clearly a corrupt moron who only feeds off stoking the darkest sides of human nature.
 

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And for the record I don't give two fucks about impeachment. That'd take damn near a year anyway and by that point we'd already be in the 2020 election cycle, which he's going to lose anyway.

I only care about this because I find it laughable that so many people are willing to give this buffoon every benefit of the doubt when he's clearly a corrupt moron who only feeds off stoking the darkest sides of human nature.
They're all corrupt morons
 

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Cohen has put a target on Trump's back

Cohen has put a target on Trump's back

It is hard to imagine a historical parallel to the one-two blows that landed flush on the jaw of President Donald Trump Tuesday afternoon, with the nearly simultaneous announcements of Paul Manafort's convictions and Michael Cohen's guilty pleas.

Taken together, the developments represent a thunderous rebuttal by the criminal justice system on behalf of the rule of law and against the President's attempts to demonize the Department of Justice and FBI.

Both proceedings pose serious legal trouble for the President, but the Cohen plea is the graver and more immediate risk. It put a target directly on the President's back.

Cohen was charged with a series of crimes, including some of the same sort of bank fraud that ensnared Manafort. But it will be counts seven and eight that keep Trump and his lawyers up for many nights.

The conduct laid out in those counts deals directly with Trump's efforts to stop Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal from speaking about their alleged affairs with him. Indeed, Trump's involvement is partly spelled out in the indictment itself, even though the President was not named, following Justice Department policy.

If, as Cohen says, Trump not only knew about but directed Cohen's conduct, it means that the President would have been nothing less than a co-conspirator in a federal crime. And this crime, far from concerning long past financial misdeeds, would be a felony that then-candidate Trump committed precisely in order to secure election. It is hard to think of a more prototypical high crime or misdemeanor.


More importantly, the Cohen guilty plea anticipates a process, which already has begun, in which Cohen tells what he knows about those crimes, and probably others, to investigators working for the special counsel Robert Mueller, as well as to prosecutors from the Southern District of New York, where the case is pending.

Typically a criminal defendant would already have provided full information to the government before entering a plea. That didn't happen here. It appears as if the Southern District was dissatisfied with the progress of talks and ready to bring charges last week, prompting Cohen to move quickly into an open-book posture.

SDNY, for its part, is able to eliminate any concern about bringing charges too close to an election. And given the likely credibility and trust between SDNY and Cohen's excellent lawyer, Guy Petrillo, a former Criminal Division chief in that office, the parties probably felt sufficiently comfortable with entering the plea now and continuing the cooperation.

The eventual sentence Cohen gets for the crimes to which he pleaded guilty today -- which without cooperation looks to be in the six to eight year range, plenty long for the father of school-age children -- will depend on the information he is able to provide.

And, of course, since the charges are pending in New York, and not with the Mueller probe, Trump is essentially powerless to try to fire his way out of the mess. No matter what action he takes against Mueller, the case against Cohen remains.

He could pardon Cohen, a move probably made much more politically difficult by the conviction of Manafort; it seems quite a stretch to think that he would pardon both. But even a pardon of Cohen will likely not keep Cohen's information about Trump's involvement from coming to light, once he provides it to the federal prosecutors.

That is because he can be immunized by state authorities if they bring charges against him (i.e. they could promise not to prosecute him), and without the possibility of criminal liability, he would lose Fifth Amendment protections and could be compelled to testify. And any lies he might tell in that testimony -- i.e any material variations from the account he provides to the SDNY -- would expose him to perjury.

Deputy US Attorney Robert Khuzami ended his remarks announcing Cohen pleas with an unusual paean to the rule of law and the notion that the criminal justice system stands at the ready to prosecute wrongdoers without fear of favor.

The immediate subject of the remarks was Cohen, but it was a barely concealed reference to the President of the United States, and his offensive campaign to put himself above the law and demonize the criminal justice system. History may mark today as the day that campaign began to crumble.
 

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Maybe so but I'd rather have one that doesn't have authoritarian tendencies who constantly attacks institutions that this country is built on.
Yea and I'm not voting for the party of open borders, identity politics, abortion in the third trimester, and restricting gun rights so here we are
 

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And for the record I don't give two fucks about impeachment. That'd take damn near a year anyway and by that point we'd already be in the 2020 election cycle, which he's going to lose anyway.

I only care about this because I find it laughable that so many people are willing to give this buffoon every benefit of the doubt when he's clearly a corrupt moron who only feeds off stoking the darkest sides of human nature.
Did you just start following politics in 2016 or something? This is how it is done.
 

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Yea and I'm not voting for the party of open borders, identity politics, abortion in the third trimester, and restricting gun rights so here we are
If that's what's important to you. Don't kid yourself into thinking that I'm some staunch Democrat though just because I think Trump is a moron who is unfit for office.
 

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Did you just start following politics in 2016 or something? This is how it is done.
There hasn't been a President with this much controversy and scandal swirling around in about 50 years so I'm not sure what you mean.

Yes, there's always massive amounts of bullshit going both ways but this is different from your run of the mill political squabbling.
 

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There hasn't been a President with this much controversy and scandal swirling around in about 50 years so I'm not sure what you mean.

Yes, there's always massive amounts of bullshit going both ways but this is different from your run of the mill political squabbling.
Yeah I agree there hasn’t been this much bullshit in a long time. You have one massive, dividing douchebag who gives his opponent ammunition with his stupid mouth. On the other side you have a the worst left in the history of the country. So much hysteria and knee jerk reaction that it is truly comical.

We now have unseasoned dipshits that have the power of being heard as experts on twitter. Freaking twitter! And people listen. No context, no history...just influence to a big bunch of brain dead kids. :picard
 

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Yea and I'm not voting for the party of open borders, identity politics, abortion in the third trimester, and restricting gun rights so here we are
Let me ask you, what would it take for you to vote for a relatively moderate Democrat over a Republican?

I consider myself truly moderate and independent as far as the two parties go, for example, I preferred Obama over McCain, I slightly preferred Romney to Obama, and I liked Kasich over anybody in 2016, I didn't vote in the general in 2016 because I was pretty disgusted by both choices, but in 2020 I will almost certainly vote Democrat.

At any rate, I'm just curious how far would be too far where you would vote Democrat, or at the very least not vote?
 

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How sure are you of this? As sure as people were that he'd lose in '16?
Considering that Clinton was a horrendous candidate that many Democrats despised and that Trump basically had to hit an inside straight in Michigan/Ohio/Wisconsin, as well as win by the narrowest of margins in places like PA to win, pretty confident.

The only way I think he wins in 2020 is if the economy is booming at unprecedented levels.
 

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Yeah I agree there hasn’t been this much bullshit in a long time. You have one massive, dividing douchebag who gives his opponent ammunition with his stupid mouth. On the other side you have a the worst left in the history of the country. So much hysteria and knee jerk reaction that it is truly comical.

We now have unseasoned dipshits that have the power of being heard as experts on twitter. Freaking twitter! And people listen. No context, no history...just influence to a big bunch of brain dead kids. :picard
Can't argue with any of that.
 

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I didn't vote in the general in 2016 because I was pretty disgusted by both choices, but in 2020 I will almost certainly vote Democrat.
But you don't even know who the Democrat candidate will be.



I wonder if/when Bipo and others will condemn this statement like they did when people claimed 'Anybody but Hillary' in 2016.
 

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But you don't even know who the Democrat candidate will be.



I wonder if/when Bipo and others will condemn this statement like they did when people claimed 'Anybody but Hillary' in 2016.
Yea, I'm expecting a much better candidate than Clinton so we'll see, I could sit it out again if it happens to be another terrible candidate that I can't bring myself to vote for.
 

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He's a co-conspirator to a federal crime since he was involved in planning/executing said crime, or he could be charged for aiding and abetting, take your pick really. If he wasn't President he'd have been indicted, if you weren't willing to stick your head in the sand in the name of the Republican party you'd acknowledge this.

And no, Cohen's word doesn't make him guilty but I'd be truly surprised if the state moved forward in this manner without corroborating evidence.
It’s the federal crime I am waiting to hear about. What federal crime was it? Colluding with his attorney to pay off a hooker isn’t a crime so you must be talking about something else.
 
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