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@ LT, that doesn’t stop every leftist talking head from going on CNN and MSNBC and proclaiming Trump’s indictment is right around the corner.

The media is complicit in all this bullshit.

I half wonder if the media wants a war with Russia just so they have something new to talk about.
 

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The collusion facade has now been formally dealt with from the Mueller investigation with the recent announcement that 12 more Russians have been indicted and no American was involved in the collusion matters. It will be interesting to say the least to see how all of this got started and who are the culprits behind the shadow government scheme to try to unseat a legitimately elected President of the United States.

I would like to think that Americans would be as indignant about this treasonous matter as they were when they were looking forward to the day of an impeachment. Anyone want to bet they won’t even see that scheme as being wrong. What a screwed up citizenery we have these days.
Comrade LT has went full Alex Jones fucking batshit.
 

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This is why I say that Trump has broken the minds of Republicans.

Regardless of whatever bias you believe exists in the FBI, regardless of whatever you believe about Clinton, regardless of whether or not you believe Trump himself or the campaign colluded with Russia, there are two inarguable facts here.

Fact 1: The entire intelligence community agrees that Russia meddled in the election, one way or the other.

Fact 2: A sitting President stood on a stage today and threw his own intelligence community under the bus in order to play nice with a dictator who has a habit of murder and taking territory by force. To play nice with a former KGB officer who is hell-bent on confronting the US on the global stage and on pushing Russia back into the role of the former Soviet Union.

Regardless of everything else those facts are inarguable, and yet instead of addressing this abomination here we sit with dullards excusing it because they would rather play a game of tit-for-tat and talk about Clinton as if she has any relevance (she doesn't).

It's ok to believe that what Trump did today is pathetic while also believing that the collusion stuff is overblown or that the FBI had it out for him. Despite what Dear Leader or Fox News would have you believe you don't have to agree with and defend everything Trump says or does in the name of standing up to liberals or whatever.

The whole thing is pathetic and un-American honestly, and large swathes of this stupid fucking country (Republicans and Democrats) have forgotten that America comes before political affiliation.
 

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Trump is pretty simple. If you flatter him or say nice things about him, he likes you. Putin praises him and claims he wanted him to win. His actions also hurt Hillary. Ergo, in Trump's mind, he's a good guy and friend of America. He's easy to manipulate, and the world's thugs know that, which is why he changed his tune on Rocket Man. It's also clear that his inner circle has no control over him whatsoever. There's no way John Kelly told him to go out there and compliment a tyrant like Putin.
 

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Trump is pretty simple. If you flatter him or say nice things about him, he likes you. Putin praises him and claims he wanted him to win. His actions also hurt Hillary. Ergo, in Trump's mind, he's a good guy and friend of America. He's easy to manipulate, and the world's thugs know that, which is why he changed his tune on Rocket Man. It's also clear that his inner circle has no control over him whatsoever. There's no way John Kelly told him to go out there and compliment a tyrant like Putin.
This is correct although it's an indictment and not an excuse.
 

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This is why I say that Trump has broken the minds of Republicans.

Regardless of whatever bias you believe exists in the FBI, regardless of whatever you believe about Clinton, regardless of whether or not you believe Trump himself or the campaign colluded with Russia, there are two inarguable facts here.

Fact 1: The entire intelligence community agrees that Russia meddled in the election, one way or the other.

Fact 2: A sitting President stood on a stage today and threw his own intelligence community under the bus in order to play nice with a dictator who has a habit of murder and taking territory by force. To play nice with a former KGB officer who is hell-bent on confronting the US on the global stage and on pushing Russia back into the role of the former Soviet Union.

Regardless of everything else those facts are inarguable, and yet instead of addressing this abomination here we sit with dullards excusing it because they would rather play a game of tit-for-tat and talk about Clinton as if she has any relevance (she doesn't).

It's ok to believe that what Trump did today is pathetic while also believing that the collusion stuff is overblown or that the FBI had it out for him. Despite what Dear Leader or Fox News would have you believe you don't have to agree with and defend everything Trump says or does in the name of standing up to liberals or whatever.

The whole thing is pathetic and un-American honestly, and large swathes of this stupid fucking country (Republicans and Democrats) have forgotten that America comes before political affiliation.
These facts are par for the course with both parties every since I can remember. Not much has changed over the years. Both sides will put blinders on in the face of ugly realities.
 

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These facts are par for the course with both parties every since I can remember. Not much has changed over the years. Both sides will put blinders on in the face of ugly realities.
Sure, I've long felt that both sides were extremely full of shit although I can't remember an instance as egregious as this where a President openly discredits his own intelligence apparatus and kowtows to what amounts to a dictator.
 

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Comrade LT has went full Alex Jones fucking batshit.
Do you think all this clamor just appeared out of thin air? You surely cannot be that naive. There was a planned conspiracy for all the factors that occurred to bring about the allegations and investigation of the collusion matter of the President. It was a coordinated effort and had to be a very high levels to bring about all the leaks that occurred to perpetuate the process. It will be sorted out and brought to the surface.
 

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This is why I say that Trump has broken the minds of Republicans.

Regardless of whatever bias you believe exists in the FBI, regardless of whatever you believe about Clinton, regardless of whether or not you believe Trump himself or the campaign colluded with Russia, there are two inarguable facts here.

Fact 1: The entire intelligence community agrees that Russia meddled in the election, one way or the other.

Fact 2: A sitting President stood on a stage today and threw his own intelligence community under the bus in order to play nice with a dictator who has a habit of murder and taking territory by force. To play nice with a former KGB officer who is hell-bent on confronting the US on the global stage and on pushing Russia back into the role of the former Soviet Union.

Regardless of everything else those facts are inarguable, and yet instead of addressing this abomination here we sit with dullards excusing it because they would rather play a game of tit-for-tat and talk about Clinton as if she has any relevance (she doesn't).

It's ok to believe that what Trump did today is pathetic while also believing that the collusion stuff is overblown or that the FBI had it out for him. Despite what Dear Leader or Fox News would have you believe you don't have to agree with and defend everything Trump says or does in the name of standing up to liberals or whatever.

The whole thing is pathetic and un-American honestly, and large swathes of this stupid fucking country (Republicans and Democrats) have forgotten that America comes before political affiliation.
Have you forgotten how the prior president handled this same matter with the same individual. How indignant were you at that time? It’s not an excuse but a matter of jogging your memory. There is a whole democratic litany of high ranking party members who have said Russia is not our enemy. Again Trump was wrong but he just fell in line with other politicians.
 
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From an individual named Eric Guillory:

“My advisors have recommended that I not write about this controversy but I owe you. I write as a military veteran and political scientist who has traveled to Ukraine, the Middle East, Helsinki, USSR to study up close.

Fact 1. The world's two greatest nuclear powers should be friendly. That is in the interest of the world!

Fact 2. Tonight the greatest criticisms come from two major groups:
A. Those who hate Trump and who will criticize the President for anything he does.

B. Those few in the military and intelligence communities who are wholly bought and owned by the war industries, for it is in their financial interests to have the US and Russia armed to the teeth and at each other's throats.

As you listen to the shrill screamers, note how often they come from this corner (politicians included)!

Fact 3. The absolute truth is that the Obama administration interfered in the Ukraine elections which led to Russia's predictable takeover of the area which holds Russia's major naval base and sea outlet.

Fact 4. The Obama administration interfered in the election of Israel. Strong Nations do this when they feel that it is their interests to do so.

Fact 5. The alleged Russian interference occurred during the Obama administration, and we heard not a peep. Now these jerks want Trump to punch Putin in the nose and start a nuclear war with the other major nuclear force on Earth.

I'm a patriot and a believer in a powerful America. I have also witnessed the body bags filled with the fruit of American youth when fat old saber rattlers play soldier.

Trump was masterful in Helsinki. The Swamp Donkeys may scream but tonight the world is better off that these two men shook hands!”

For what it’s worth.
 

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@ LT, that doesn’t stop every leftist talking head from going on CNN and MSNBC and proclaiming Trump’s indictment is right around the corner.

The media is complicit in all this bullshit.

I half wonder if the media wants a war with Russia just so they have something new to talk about.
The media is more than just complicit, that are inciters.
 

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Sure, I've long felt that both sides were extremely full of shit although I can't remember an instance as egregious as this where a President openly discredits his own intelligence apparatus and kowtows to what amounts to a dictator.
Obviously not kowtowing would be nice, but would you agree that it's refreshing to see a Republican who isn't simply banging the war drums like all the rest? Even most Democrats, while maybe not invading anyone, are hopelessly bound to the military industrial complex. They won't shut any bases on the premise that it would be bad for local economies and they won't withdraw security forces on a large scale basis on the premise that we have to save everyone.
 

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Rand Paul sides with Trump on Russia, says critics 'motivated' by dislike of president

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., on Monday expressed his approval of President Donald Trump’s handling of Russia despite the tsunami of criticism the president faced after his press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“It’s gotten so ridiculous that someone has to stand up and say we should try to engage even our adversaries and open up our lines of communication,” Paul told Politico after the controversial press conference.

“We’re going to talk to the president about some small steps in order to try to thaw the relations between our countries,” the senator added, noting that he’s set to travel to Russia early next month to continue the dialogue that Trump started.

Paul said he hopes to meet with Trump before the trip to “to see if there’s anything he wants us to follow up on.” The trip, in his view, will allow the U.S. to eventually start working with Russia to stop civil war in Syria, denuclearize North Korea and get Russian military out of Ukraine.

When it came to Trump’s remarks following the one-on-one meeting, Rand broke ranks with most Republicans and criticized those slamming the president.

“Republicans that are making the criticism are either the pro-war Republicans like (Sen. John) McCain and (Sen. Lindsey) Graham or the anti-Trump ones like (Sen. Ben) Sasse,” he told Politico. “They are motivated by their persistent and consistent dislike of the president.”

Trump later tweeted: "Thank you @RandPaul, you really get it!"

Thank you @RandPaul, you really get it! “The President has gone through a year and a half of totally partisan investigations - what’s he supposed think?”
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 17, 2018

Trump drew fury from Republicans after saying both Russia and the U.S. are to blame for strained relations and by not standing behind the U.S. intelligence assessments that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections.

Trump said he has great confidence in the intelligence community, but Putin gave a “strong and powerful” denial. He said he doesn't “see any reason why” Russia would be behind election meddling.

“There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world," House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said shortly after the press conference in Helsinki, Finland.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., called Trump’s performance “disgraceful” and issued a lengthy statement criticizing the president for kowtowing to the Russian president.

“President Trump proved not only unable, but unwilling to stand up to Putin. He and Putin seemed to be speaking from the same script as the president made a conscious choice to defend a tyrant against the fair questions of a free press, and to grant Putin an uncontested platform to spew propaganda and lies to the world,” McCain in a statement, calling the president’s comments at the press conference “a recent low point in the history of the American Presidency.”

But it’s no surprise that Rand, and a handful of other Republican lawmakers, are embracing Trump’s approach to Russia. Last year, the senator from Kentucky voted against a sanctions bill against Russia.

As a libertarian-leaning Republican, he also long opposed the hawks – like national security adviser John Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo – in the Trump administration, who in his view, seek confrontation rather than dialogue.

“We have a lot of areas ... we should be talking about,” Paul told Politico about Russia. “We won’t get anywhere on it if we just say we want ... to put more sanctions on them and tomorrow they’ll surrender and do what we want.”

Fox News’ Brooke Singman contributed to this report.
 

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Rand Paul defends Trump: Meeting with adversaries should be "lauded and not belittled"



Sen. Rand Paul has defended President Trump after he appeared to side with Vladimir Putin instead of his own intelligence agencies during the leaders' summit in Helsinki, Finland. In an interview with "CBS This Morning" on Tuesday, the Kentucky Republican commended the president for being willing to meet with known adversaries in order to "try to prevent us from having World War 3."

"Yes, the vast majority of the foreign policy community, the bipartisan consensus said you shouldn't meet with Putin," Paul said. "They also said he shouldn't meet with Kim and this is an extraordinary thing about President Trump that should be lauded and not belittled is that he is willing to meet with adversaries to try to prevent us from having World War 3."

Paul stood by Mr. Trump's decision to sit down with Putin, saying that the president "did a good thing" by meeting with Putin and warned his colleagues that it was a "mistake" to "try to turn this into a partisan escapade."

Sen. Paul also compared Mr. Trump's meeting with Putin to President Ronald Reagan's summit with General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev. "CBS This Morning" co-anchor John Dickerson pointed out to Paul that Reagan, unlike Mr. Trump, had pushed America's moral objection to the Soviet Union during their meeting. Mr. Trump meanwhile, faulted both sides -- the United States and Russia, for its role in the 2016 election.

Paul, however, objected to the notion, saying that it was "not being fair to the president," citing Reagan's "evil empire" comments toward the Soviet leader.

"While the rhetoric was strong, you might actually compare that with Trump's rhetoric in North Korea, it's been very strong. So I think there's actually some apt comparisons between Reagan and Trump on the diplomatic front," said Rand.

"We have to deal with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be, and if we're only going to talk to people who have perfect constitutional republics, we're going to have a very small audience and we're going to have a lot of potential conflicts with no outlet for diplomacy," he added.

As intelligence agencies across the federal government have since endorsed the assessment compiled in January of last year that concluded Russia was indeed involved interfering in the 2016 presidential election, Paul again defended the president's comments in which he partially faulted U.S. "foolishness" for the attack on America's election system, saying that the president has undergone an "onslaught of partisan investigations."

It's a sentiment the president himself agreed with, tweeting his thanks to the senator after his comments to "CBS This Morning", saying "you really get it!"

Thank you @RandPaul, you really get it! “The President has gone through a year and a half of totally partisan investigations - what’s he supposed think?”
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 17, 2018
 

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Donald Trump: The Most Libertarian President Since Silent Cal

His record on reducing government has so far been impressive. So why isn't it getting more attention?

Despite all the Never Trumpers predicting economic turmoil, more deals with “Chuck and Nancy,” and triangulation towards big-government liberalism, President Donald Trump has so far proven to be the most libertarian president since Calvin Coolidge.

On multiple fronts, Trump and his advisors, notably Mick Mulvaney, have managed a record-setting list of accomplishments that leave past self-aggrandizing constitutional conservatives in the dust. On key issues of regulatory reform, rolling back federal power, appointing constitutionalist judges, and rethinking America’s place on the international stage, Trump is setting the gold standard for future libertarian and conservative presidents.

To start with, the Trump administration has been rolling back federal regulations at a faster speed than any other first-year president. As of October 12, 469 government rules have been stricken from the books, more than twice and three times the numbers of George W. Bush’s and Barack Obama’s first years respectively. And according to Neomi Rao, the administrator for the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, the Trump administration has either withdrawn, delayed, or placed under reconsideration more than 1,500 total regulations, which will save the economy more than $570 million annually.

On the international stage, Trump has moved away from the liberal internationalism of the past, taking the United States out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which many libertarians have argued didn’t actually promote free trade, and the Paris climate treaty, which would have cost the U.S. an estimated $3 trillion. United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley also announced a $285 million reduction in the U.N. budget for the 2018-2019 fiscal year. The president additionally signaled in a tweet on January 1 that he plans to cut foreign aid to Pakistan and Palestine. And while Trump isn’t the pacifist that many of his libertarian supporters had hoped he’d be, especially when comes to the war in Afghanistan, his first year in office saw a radical decrease in American involvement in Syria, with an end to aid for CIA-backed rebels in the region.

The Trump administration is also conducting the Defense Department’s first-ever audit, which will hopefully lead to fat-trimming from its massive $639 billion budget.

Another first is Trump’s move to devolve executive power and restore Congress’s checks and balances. Unlike his predecessor, Trump is not governing through executive fiat and has kicked the ball back to Congress on a number of issues, including DACA, Iran sanctions, Obamacare subsidies, and 15 regulatory nullifications, which is 14 more than all the other presidents combined.

Of course, Trump’s longest standing accomplishment will be his record-breaking number of judicial appointments, almost all of them strict constitutionalists, including Neil Gorsuch (Supreme Court), Don Willet (Fifth Circuit), James Ho (Fifth Circuit), Leonard Grasz (Eighth Circuit), Amy Coney Barrett (Seventh Circuit), Stephanos Bibas (Third Circuit), Allison Eid (Tenth Circuit), and Joan Larsen (Sixth Circuit). Judicial nominees are an important test for modern presidents. They were the reason many Republicans and independents who were on the fence about Trump during the campaign ended up voting for him, and Trump hasn’t let them down.

Possibly the most surprising thing about Trump’s first term is how he’s mended fences with former political enemies. Some of his new friends are hugely disappointing (Nikki Haley, Lindsey Graham) but others, such as an alliance with Senator Rand Paul, have been beneficial. Over a couple rounds of golf, the junior senator from Kentucky has been able to influence Trump on several key issues; his growing influence over the president led Axios to dub Paul “the Trump Whisperer.” Paul has pushed Trump to issue an executive order on purchasing health care across state lines and was a key ally in passing the tax reform bill that lowered the tax burden for nearly 80 percent of Americans.

Trump is obviously no Ron Paul—he still wants to increase military spending, place tariffs on foreign competitors, and continue the costly wars on drugs and poverty—but then again he never claimed to be. And his record of accomplishment is not only a far cry from the moderated centrism or unproductive gridlock predicted by his naysayers but outstanding as presidential first years go. Yes, there’s room for improvement. But libertarians, especially those who consider themselves “Never Trump,” need to realize that this president has so far proven their best champion since Silent Cal nearly a century ago.

Ryan James Girdusky is a contributing writer at Red Alert Politics.
 

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Trump really needs to push to legalize marijuana federally.

That would put him over the top for 2020 for sure.
 

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Here's the thing: Of course Russia probably meddled in our election, hacked the DNC, etc.

We do that to everyone else, too.

If we are trying to have good relationships with China and Russia maybe we shouldn't go around labeling everyone an Axis of Evil, eh?
 
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