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I would bet this is fake. It seems specially designed to get Memaw worked up on Facebook.
Even if not fake, it is extremist and not completely representative.

I know it is fun to pretend that the left has gone batshit crazy and is driving a bunch of people completely to the right, I don't buy it. There is still a very disillusioned middle that would like to call itself sane. The extremist left and right are both getting larger however.
 

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Even if not fake, it is extremist and not completely representative.

I know it is fun to pretend that the left has gone batshit crazy and is driving a bunch of people completely to the right, I don't buy it. There is still a very disillusioned middle that would like to call itself sane. The extremist left and right are both getting larger however.
I know a few DSA people, online and in real life. None of them care about being "the future of the Democratic party." But you can see the reaction it is designed to garner.

*has a stroke
*wakes up
*invests in gold bars
 

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Even if not fake, it is extremist and not completely representative.

I know it is fun to pretend that the left has gone batshit crazy and is driving a bunch of people completely to the right, I don't buy it. There is still a very disillusioned middle that would like to call itself sane. The extremist left and right are both getting larger however.
The thing to me is, the extreme right does not hold office. The extreme left absolutely does. They also are encompassed in the media and Hollywood.
 

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The thing to me is, the extreme right does not hold office. The extreme left absolutely does. They also are encompassed in the media and Hollywood.
Very few people in the extreme think of themselves as extreme, and both extremes think the other side's middle is extreme.
 

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The thing to me is, the extreme right does not hold office. The extreme left absolutely does. They also are encompassed in the media and Hollywood.
In my eyes, the extreme right holds the highest office in the country. Everything Trump endorses and says resonates with the extreme right from what I see. He is certainly not moderate in any sense of the word.
 

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In my eyes, the extreme right holds the highest office in the country. Everything Trump endorses and says resonates with the extreme right from what I see. He is certainly not moderate in any sense of the word.
The far right in 2018?

Our government is absolutely huge and needs to shrink. Trump has barely put a dent in it, in that sense he is moderate. The rest of him is just loud noises.
 

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Sad!
 

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In my eyes, the extreme right holds the highest office in the country. Everything Trump endorses and says resonates with the extreme right from what I see. He is certainly not moderate in any sense of the word.
You lost me right here. Quit thinking silly shit like this. Trump is far from the extreme right. I would actually challenge you to show me proof me this dumb accusation.
 

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Very few people in the extreme think of themselves as extreme, and both extremes think the other side's middle is extreme.
I do not think that is true at all. I think the vast majority of Americans are center left/right. It's the media that makes everyone somehow believe that the country is so divided. Kick the extremes out of politics and let's repair this.
 

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You lost me right here. Quit thinking silly shit like this. Trump is far from the extreme right. I would actually challenge you to show me proof me this dumb accusation.
You did not read what I said.

He resonates with the extreme right. Do you deny this?

And please, keep in mind we are not talking about pure political ideology. The extreme right, just like that wacky socialist left, has it's scary side to anyone with a functional brain.

If you disagree, then I have to dispute the idea you are actually as moderate as you state.
 

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I do not think that is true at all. I think the vast majority of Americans are center left/right. It's the media that makes everyone somehow believe that the country is so divided. Kick the extremes out of politics and let's repair this.
Nah. This was America before he was elected.

The roof has caved in since. Each side has dug trenches, fortified their defenses and is now in full on embroiled in a shit grenade-lobbing war.

The media plays a part but is not the sole catalyst.

The real issue is that the division is now being spread to the media where each faction has their own mouthpiece. Hell, that is half of Trump's game, pointing out the divide in the media coverage.

It is very problematic that the vast majority of Americans are not smart enough to devote that much time to deciding where they stand. Therefore the media seems to have more power.
 

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Ever notice how no matter where politics is being discussed, regardless if it's in person or over the internet, the people doing the talking are always the level headed ones that just know everyone else is the problem?
 

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Ever notice how no matter where politics is being discussed, regardless if it's in person or over the internet, the people doing the talking are always the level headed ones that just know everyone else is the problem?
Lol, this is actually true.

Having said that, I am definitely the most level headed one in this discussion. :unsure
 

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I guess that the real discussion is who is the far right? How is that defined in minds here at the DCC?
 

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[MENTION=24]mschmidt64[/MENTION] what do you think?

Donald Trump: The Most Libertarian President Since Silent Cal
His record on reducing government has so far been impressive. So why isn't it getting more attention?
By RYAN GIRDUSKY • January 8, 2018

Despite all the Never Trumpers predicting economic turmoil, more deals with “Chuck and Nancy,” and triangulation towards big-government liberalism, President Donald Trump has so far proven to be the most libertarian president since Calvin Coolidge.

On multiple fronts, Trump and his advisors, notably Mick Mulvaney, have managed a record-setting list of accomplishments that leave past self-aggrandizing constitutional conservatives in the dust. On key issues of regulatory reform, rolling back federal power, appointing constitutionalist judges, and rethinking America’s place on the international stage, Trump is setting the gold standard for future libertarian and conservative presidents.

To start with, the Trump administration has been rolling back federal regulations at a faster speed than any other first-year president. As of October 12, 469 government rules have been stricken from the books, more than twice and three times the numbers of George W. Bush’s and Barack Obama’s first years respectively. And according to Neomi Rao, the administrator for the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, the Trump administration has either withdrawn, delayed, or placed under reconsideration more than 1,500 total regulations, which will save the economy more than $570 million annually.

On the international stage, Trump has moved away from the liberal internationalism of the past, taking the United States out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which many libertarians have argued didn’t actually promote free trade, and the Paris climate treaty, which would have cost the U.S. an estimated $3 trillion. United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley also announced a $285 million reduction in the U.N. budget for the 2018-2019 fiscal year. The president additionally signaled in a tweet on January 1 that he plans to cut foreign aid to Pakistan and Palestine. And while Trump isn’t the pacifist that many of his libertarian supporters had hoped he’d be, especially when comes to the war in Afghanistan, his first year in office saw a radical decrease in American involvement in Syria, with an end to aid for CIA-backed rebels in the region.

The Trump administration is also conducting the Defense Department’s first-ever audit, which will hopefully lead to fat-trimming from its massive $639 billion budget.

Another first is Trump’s move to devolve executive power and restore Congress’s checks and balances. Unlike his predecessor, Trump is not governing through executive fiat and has kicked the ball back to Congress on a number of issues, including DACA, Iran sanctions, Obamacare subsidies, and 15 regulatory nullifications, which is 14 more than all the other presidents combined.

Of course, Trump’s longest standing accomplishment will be his record-breaking number of judicial appointments, almost all of them strict constitutionalists, including Neil Gorsuch (Supreme Court), Don Willet (Fifth Circuit), James Ho (Fifth Circuit), Leonard Grasz (Eighth Circuit), Amy Coney Barrett (Seventh Circuit), Stephanos Bibas (Third Circuit), Allison Eid (Tenth Circuit), and Joan Larsen (Sixth Circuit). Judicial nominees are an important test for modern presidents. They were the reason many Republicans and independents who were on the fence about Trump during the campaign ended up voting for him, and Trump hasn’t let them down.

Possibly the most surprising thing about Trump’s first term is how he’s mended fences with former political enemies. Some of his new friends are hugely disappointing (Nikki Haley, Lindsey Graham) but others, such as an alliance with Senator Rand Paul, have been beneficial. Over a couple rounds of golf, the junior senator from Kentucky has been able to influence Trump on several key issues; his growing influence over the president led Axios to dub Paul “the Trump Whisperer.” Paul has pushed Trump to issue an executive order on purchasing health care across state lines and was a key ally in passing the tax reform bill that lowered the tax burden for nearly 80 percent of Americans.

Trump is obviously no Ron Paul—he still wants to increase military spending, place tariffs on foreign competitors, and continue the costly wars on drugs and poverty—but then again he never claimed to be. And his record of accomplishment is not only a far cry from the moderated centrism or unproductive gridlock predicted by his naysayers but outstanding as presidential first years go. Yes, there’s room for improvement. But libertarians, especially those who consider themselves “Never Trump,” need to realize that this president has so far proven their best champion since Silent Cal nearly a century ago.
 

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You lost me right here. Quit thinking silly shit like this. Trump is far from the extreme right. I would actually challenge you to show me proof me this dumb accusation.
booze seems to be slipping into the far left direction making off the cuff statements like that. To me Trump is right not on the extreme side. That is an assumption by many on the left without reasons why.
 

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You did not read what I said.

He resonates with the extreme right. Do you deny this?

And please, keep in mind we are not talking about pure political ideology. The extreme right, just like that wacky socialist left, has it's scary side to anyone with a functional brain.

If you disagree, then I have to dispute the idea you are actually as moderate as you state.
Of course he appeals to the far right, but that's not what you said. You said "the far right holds the White House" and that simply isn't true.
 

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Can you imagine if Obama or ANY other US president would have stated that WE are to blame for bad relations with Russia?

This fucking guy......crickets.
 

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