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All that I'm going to say about the chuch shooting is that some heads need to roll in the Air Force. Some people there are personally responsible for making a major fuck up that allowed this latest cretin to buy a gun.
 

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All that I'm going to say about the chuch shooting is that some heads need to roll in the Air Force. Some people there are personally responsible for making a major fuck up that allowed this latest cretin to buy a gun.
Agreed 100%. It is inexcusable that this guy was allowed to buy a gun, and it was allowed because of careless record keeping/input.
 

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I wonder if the victims' families can sue a branch of the government. doubtful.
 

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weird how the guy was mad at his wife and mother in law, but decided to kill everybody save for those two people
 

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All that I'm going to say about the chuch shooting is that some heads need to roll in the Air Force. Some people there are personally responsible for making a major fuck up that allowed this latest cretin to buy a gun.
I’m not sure yet that the USAF screwed up. The best I can ascertain the shooters discharge may not have been a dishonorable discharge status. I may have been one of the undesirable status. The next thing I am not sure about is under what circumstances and classifications the military services are required to report the individuals ineligibility status to the appropriate places. I haven’t checked it out yet.
 

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The discharge status of the shooter was a “bad conduct” discharge. That covers a myriad of undesirable circumstances As far as I can tell at the moment the Federal Law says the reporting is about people with known mental illnesses. As you can see there isn’t any clear cut determination that the USAF was not in compliance or required to report anything unless there is additional circumstances involved. There may not have been anything of record that says he was mentally ill or the USAF knew he was. Conversely there may have been something known about his mental state but to jump to a conclusion that this is an existing fact that the USAF screwed up is a bit of a jump at the moment.
 

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Good fucking grief.

The guy was a domestic abuser, convicted in military court.

They have to report that to FBI and didn't. They fucked up. PERIOD.
 

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The discharge status of the shooter was a “bad conduct” discharge. That covers a myriad of undesirable circumstances As far as I can tell at the moment the Federal Law says the reporting is about people with known mental illnesses. As you can see there isn’t any clear cut determination that the USAF was not in compliance or required to report anything unless there is additional circumstances involved. There may not have been anything of record that says he was mentally ill or the USAF knew he was. Conversely there may have been something known about his mental state but to jump to a conclusion that this is an existing fact that the USAF screwed up is a bit of a jump at the moment.
You are looking at this all wrong. Here's the bottom line.

While in the Air Force, he was convicted and imprisoned for committing domestic violence against his wife and child. There's this thing called the "Lautenberg Amendment" that prevents people convicted of such crimes from possessing firearms. Being in the military, once you're convicted of DV and no longer able to possess a firearm, they look to separate you in most cases. I remember 10-15 years ago this was a very big deal in Army organizations.

Once he was separated from the AF his separation paperwork should have at the very least mentioned Bad Conduct Discharge for Article 128 (Assault). It has nothing to do with him being mentally ill. He fell under the "Lautenberg Amendment" and should have been processed accordingly.

The Air Force screwed up. There's no tip toeing around that. Someone is going to have to answer for why that lunatic's information wasn't processed correctly.
 

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You are looking at this all wrong. Here's the bottom line.

While in the Air Force, he was convicted and imprisoned for committing domestic violence against his wife and child. There's this thing called the "Lautenberg Amendment" that prevents people convicted of such crimes from possessing firearms. Being in the military, once you're convicted of DV and no longer able to possess a firearm, they look to separate you in most cases. I remember 10-15 years ago this was a very big deal in Army organizations.

Once he was separated from the AF his separation paperwork should have at the very least mentioned Bad Conduct Discharge for Article 128 (Assault). It has nothing to do with him being mentally ill. He fell under the "Lautenberg Amendment" and should have been processed accordingly.

The Air Force screwed up. There's no tip toeing around that. Someone is going to have to answer for why that lunatic's information wasn't processed correctly.
What I am looking at is the law that requires reporting to prohibit the sale of fire arms to certain people. The Brady law is the one I believe everyone falls back on for reporting and it is specific about the requirements and descriptions and it spells out the area of mental illness.

http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/background-checks/mental-health-reporting/#federal

This is the only area I am aware of for the reporting.
 

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While his discharge should have showed a lot of things about his separation, the issue is did the USAF have a requirement to file a report per the Federal law guidelines. Unless he is discharge circumstances fell under the law I can’t see where they were required to file. Of course I haven’t seen his discharge other than a generic bad conduct separation. My only point is that people are pronouncing something that has yet to be fully determined. If we could see the information that was on record then we might be able to point fingers.
 

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While his discharge should have showed a lot of things about his separation, the issue is did the USAF have a requirement to file a report per the Federal law guidelines. Unless he is discharge circumstances fell under the law I can’t see where they were required to file. Of course I haven’t seen his discharge other than a generic bad conduct separation. My only point is that people are pronouncing something that has yet to be fully determined. If we could see the information that was on record then we might be able to point fingers.
It has been fully determined. Jesus Christ, man.
 

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It has been fully determined. Jesus Christ, man.
Well tell me about it. I haven’t heard anyone tell why they were required and why. All I have heard is that they didn’t report but my question remains were they legally required to report it.
 
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