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Medical deferments are perfectly legit. You are making you own storyline on it. You have nothing to support your allegations except your own determination. That is fairly typical of the liberal group these days. Just make up something then publish it as fact.
Keep rationalizing why it is ok these days to vote for a draft dodging coward when not so long ago it would have been an immediate disqualification for the office of President. He was able to do so so for one reason. Daddy was rich. Meanwhile 58,220 other Americans weren't so fortunate to be a rich little cunt like Trump.
 

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Keep rationalizing why it is ok these days to vote for a draft dodging coward when not so long ago it would have been an immediate disqualification for the office of President. He was able to do so so for one reason. Daddy was rich. Meanwhile 58,220 other Americans weren't so fortunate to be a rich little cunt like Trump.
Still doesn't change the fact that you have yet to deny that if you were "a rich little cunt like Trump", you would do the same damn thing which makes you a hypocrite who really has no say. Just criticizing to be criticizing.
 

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But I didn't take the same path.

The country came calling on him five times to serve and five times he found a doctor to make an excuse for him not to.

He's a coward that was afraid to go to war.

No one ever sent me a notice to serve the country.
I have no doubt you would have refused to serve.
 

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The left on draft dodgers who fled to Canada: Can you blame them??

The left on Trump: Coward!!
 

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Champion of the ‘Little Guy’? Trump’s Actions Tell Another Story

Champion of the ‘Little Guy’? Trump’s Actions Tell Another Story

President Trump rarely misses a chance to offer himself up as the champion of “forgotten” Americans, men and women who feel ignored or derided by elites and believe, as he frequently says, that the “system is rigged” against them.

“You will never be ignored again,” he said this month at a campaign-style rally in Pensacola, Fla., a phrase that became the banner headline the next morning in the local newspaper.

Being the champion of the “little guy” is a staple of presidential speech, and wealthy occupants of the Oval Office like Franklin D. Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy have used the mantle to great effect. But critics say Mr. Trump has taken it to a new level, and instead of tearing down the establishment, he has helped prop it up.

This week, the president hopes to sign with great fanfare a tax bill that would deliver its largest benefits, not only in dollar terms but also as a percentage increase in income, to corporations and the wealthiest Americans. His own family stands to gain from tax breaks maintained or extended for corporate real estate ventures, and his heirs have reason to celebrate the doubling of the exemption from estate taxes: Under the bill, the Trump children and grandchildren could inherit $22 million tax free, though they would have benefited more from a cut in the estate tax rate or an abolition of the tax altogether.

Last week, the Federal Communications Commission, led by Mr. Trump’s pick as chairman, Ajit Pai, reversed the Obama-era policy known as net neutrality, over the objections of consumer groups and owners of small internet businesses, who fear that without the protection, giant internet service providers like Comcast and Verizon will charge internet companies for offering “fast-lane” speeds, slow down the content of companies that do not pay or even block them. Consumers could be charged variable rates for internet access, depending on which websites they visit.

In the coming weeks, the Education Department plans to roll back protections for college graduates saddled with student debt from sham for-profit universities. And in the opening months of his presidency, Mr. Trump signed congressional resolutions permanently reversing rules that would have required companies seeking significant federal contracts to disclose violations of labor standards, and would have required oil, gas and mining companies to disclose payments made to foreign governments in exchange for access to drilling or mining rights.

By reversing one rule, the administration impeded states from establishing retirement programs for private-sector workers whose employers do not offer a retirement plan. Another rule that was eliminated would have required retirement planners to agree that financial advice had the client’s best interest at heart, not the investment company’s.

“If you want to call yourself a populist, you better be ready to stick up for the little guy, whether she punches a time sheet or swipes a badge, makes a salary or earns tips, whether he works behind a desk, on a factory floor, or behind a restaurant counter,” said Senator Sherrod Brown, Democrat of Ohio. “Because populism is for the people — not these people, or those people, but all people.”

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, pushed back on the criticism, pointing to economic gains in the last year as evidence that Mr. Trump had helped ordinary Americans.

“It’s been a great year for the American economy and the American labor that powers it, with pensions up 39 percent and nearly 160,000 manufacturing jobs added since the president took office,” she said.

“President Trump has been focused on the American worker since the very first days of his administration, during which he withdrew from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, signed an executive order promoting domestic manufacturing in pipeline construction and stopped the previous administration’s job-killing regulatory overreach in its tracks.”

And the views of Mr. Trump among his stalwart supporters are not likely to be altered by in-the-weeds regulatory rollbacks, or even tax breaks that benefit the wealthy. Kathleen Hall Jamieson, the director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, said that while “elites” in places like Washington might find dissonance between what Mr. Trump says and does, his supporters are most likely viewing him primarily through the lens of a steadily improving economy.

“There’s a difference between the world that elites live in, the world in which they pay close attention to news and are highly attuned to the political discussion, and the rest of the country,” she said. “The Trump voter is going to be saying: ‘When I see my paycheck, am I going to see more money or less money in it? Are my neighbors employed or unemployed? Are my children getting jobs?’”

They will not, she said, be debating the nuances of net neutrality or the arcana of the tax code.

The tax bill could ultimately make a political difference. Millions of middle-class taxpayers are likely to see their taxes go up, though the typical middle-class taxpayer would see a tax cut next year. And the structure of the tax cut tends to favor owners of businesses over drawers of paychecks. While the tax cuts for corporations would be permanent, those for individuals carry an expiration date. Special interests preserved numerous tax breaks and carved out new ones.

Mr. Trump continues to say that the bill would hurt the wealthy and offer an enormous lift to ordinary Americans, saying in a tweet on Sunday: “As a candidate, I promised we would pass a massive TAX CUT for the everyday working American families who are the backbone and the heartbeat of our country. Now, we are just days away.”

If economic growth, buoyed by the corporate tax cut, does show up in workers’ paychecks, he could be vindicated. If not, a tax cut that polling indicates is already unpopular might become even more so.

Other elements of Mr. Trump’s economic message may also be subject to reality checks. The president has often talked of how he loves “clean, beautiful coal” and the miners who unearth it, pointing to them as a ready exemplar of his working-class sympathies. “I’m going to put the miners back to work,” he said last year in Charleston, W.Va., before donning a hard hat.

Mr. Trump said earlier this year that his effort to revive the industry by clearing away regulations had helped produce 45,000 mining jobs. But the Labor Department reported in November that the country had gained just 1,500 coal mining jobs over the previous year, after losing tens of thousands in recent years.

Just a week ago, an official for the United Mine Workers union said 260 workers would lose their jobs at a mine in northern West Virginia.

On Thursday, Mr. Trump congratulated the billionaire Rupert Murdoch on his deal to sell most of 21st Century Fox to the Walt Disney Company. While it will be a financial boon to Mr. Murdoch, analysts say the deal could lead to hundreds of job losses.

The same day, the president showcased what he called the “most far-reaching regulatory reform” in American history. His deregulatory efforts have been cheered by businesses, and economic indicators have shown increased business confidence, but environmental groups and consumer advocates say the rollback has left Americans with fewer protections.

“Unfortunately, all too often the president has broken the promises he made to Ohio workers on the campaign and thrown in with Mitch McConnell to cut back-room deals for Washington special interests,” Mr. Brown, the senator, said in an emailed response to questions.

Ms. Jamieson said such criticism might not stick — no matter what happens to the economy.

“When he doesn’t succeed, he has what I call universal rebuttal,” Ms. Jamieson said. “It works everywhere: ‘I tried. The rigged system did me in.’”

“The core of the Trump appeal was to say to people who didn’t have a voice, ‘I am voicing your anger,’” she added. “And to those who didn’t know who to blame, ‘here’s who to blame, and in a rigged system I will take on your enemies.’”

Mr. Trump’s campaign-style rallies, like the one in Pensacola, are packed with supporters who sign up for tickets in advance, and he rarely hears dissident voices. He knows his audience, and he almost always returns to the theme of being the guardian of the working class.

But others see a yawning gap between the emerging list of winners in the Trump era and the little guy he pledged to help.

Mike Walden, a retired Teamster from Ohio who drove a truck for more than 30 years, visited Washington this past week to try to lobby for pension security. He did not vote for Mr. Trump, but has voted for Republicans like his home-state senator Rob Portman. The president, he said, has done little to help the workers in his union.

“He got elected to the office of president because he talked about the issues of the working man and labor,” Mr. Walden said. “We have not heard one word from him about that.

“Where is this ‘I am for the working man’? I don’t see anything there,” Mr. Walden said, adding: “What has he done for the working man? I am not totally against him. He’s president of the United States. But on the same hand, you don’t get elected by the working class and then throw them under the bus.”
 

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Keep rationalizing why it is ok these days to vote for a draft dodging coward when not so long ago it would have been an immediate disqualification for the office of President. He was able to do so so for one reason. Daddy was rich. Meanwhile 58,220 other Americans weren't so fortunate to be a rich little cunt like Trump.
Do you feel the same thing about Bill Clinton? What about thousands of other who had deferments? All cowards?
 

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Do you feel the same thing about Bill Clinton? What about thousands of other who had deferments? All cowards?
He was a draft dodging POS too.

I suppose some deferments were legit, but let's face reality. Most were for rich kids whose parents could buy a deferment one way or another.

It just absolutely astounds me that these days the (R) party and conservatives in general have no problem with a draft dodging POS as leader of this country. While others were fighting and dying, this fucking coward was getting bowling trophies.

It is incredible that highly religious people and conservative women have no problem with a serial sexual abuser as President. A man who has admitted as much on tape.
 

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He was a draft dodging POS too.

I suppose some deferments were legit, but let's face reality. Most were for rich kids whose parents could buy a deferment one way or another.

It just absolutely astounds me that these days the (R) party and conservatives in general have no problem with a draft dodging POS as leader of this country. While others were fighting and dying, this fucking coward was getting bowling trophies.

It is incredible that highly religious people and conservative women have no problem with a serial sexual abuser as President. A man who has admitted as much on tape.
You do realize that only a small percent of the total population serve in the military? It is less than 1% at any given time. Even if you counted all who have ever served it is less than 15% of the Current population. Your rants are completely without any merit and display your absolute lack of objectivity toward this subject.
 

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You do realize that only a small percent of the total population serve in the military? It is less than 1% at any given time. Even if you counted all who have ever served it is less than 15% of the Current population. Your rants are completely without any merit and display your absolute lack of objectivity toward this subject.
When you are drafted you have a DUTY to serve.

But no, he was too much of a fucking coward to do so.

If this guy was a (D) he would be getting absolutely destroyed on FOX News and the like for getting 5 draft deferments.
 

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When you are drafted you have a DUTY to serve.

But no, he was too much of a fucking coward to do so.

If this guy was a (D) he would be getting absolutely destroyed on FOX News and the like for getting 5 draft deferments.
I've never lived through a draft. I couldn't even imagine someone pulling me out of my life and telling me I must now join the military and basically totally alter my life. It almost feels surreal to a young person like myself to think about.
 

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When you are drafted you have a DUTY to serve.

But no, he was too much of a fucking coward to do so.

If this guy was a (D) he would be getting absolutely destroyed on FOX News and the like for getting 5 draft deferments.
The draft laws contained provisions for deferment and a lot of people used the provision so don’t hone in on one person and become their judge and jury unless you are willing to condemn thousands of others some of which could be your family members. Go call them a POS draft dodger as well if you have the courage to do that.
 

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I served in the Army can I call him a coward? To me it is a non factor, I don't care if he served or not. Not why I don't like him.

There is a ridiculous amount of rationalization going on with this from the right. Choosing not to sign up voluntarily is not the same thing as seeking a deferment from the draft for Bone Spurs. (when he played sports at the same time in college) It just isn't, to anyone not trying to make an excuse for their guy.

I lived through the Clinton election it was a huge issue when he was running. Same way with W, it came up all the time, specifically in the primary when he was running against McCain. Not a peep about Trump. The further we get from the baby boomers the fewer candidates we will have that serve.
 

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I served in the Army can I call him a coward? To me it is a non factor, I don't care if he served or not. Not why I don't like him.

There is a ridiculous amount of rationalization going on with this from the right. Choosing not to sign up voluntarily is not the same thing as seeking a deferment from the draft for Bone Spurs. (when he played sports at the same time in college) It just isn't, to anyone not trying to make an excuse for their guy.

I lived through the Clinton election it was a huge issue when he was running. Same way with W, it came up all the time, specifically in the primary when he was running against McCain. Not a peep about Trump. The further we get from the baby boomers the fewer candidates we will have that serve.
The point is why call him a coward at all. BiPo seems bent on hanging that label on him.
 

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I lived through the Clinton election it was a huge issue when he was running. Same way with W, it came up all the time, specifically in the primary when he was running against McCain. Not a peep about Trump. The further we get from the baby boomers the fewer candidates we will have that serve.
Were you drafted? I've never lived through a draft or been part of a draft. I think over time the population cares less and less about who served in the military and less and less about the draft. Most of us weren't even alive or old enough to remember. It's more a change in society than anything.
 

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Were you drafted? I've never lived through a draft or been part of a draft. I think over time the population cares less and less about who served in the military and less and less about the draft. Most of us weren't even alive or old enough to remember. It's more a change in society than anything.
How old do you think I am?

No I was born before it ended, but I volunteered in 91.

I agree, but when people Like Trump, make comments about people's patriotism or service, when they themselves never served. When they themselves in fact did everything they could to get out of serving. Those folks can expect and should expect it a little blow back.
 

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How old do you think I am?

No I was born before it ended, but I volunteered in 91.

I agree, but when people Like Trump, make comments about people's patriotism or service, when they themselves never served. When they themselves in fact did everything they could to get out of serving. Those folks can expect and should expect it a little blow back.
Maybe so but that doesn't earn them a title to be called a coward. They just opted to not serve.
 

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Maybe so but that doesn't earn them a title to be called a coward. They just opted to not serve.
Complete and utter bullshit.

If this was a democrat with 5 fucking deferments FOX NEWS would go to maintenance with outrage.
 

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How old do you think I am?

No I was born before it ended, but I volunteered in 91.

I agree, but when people Like Trump, make comments about people's patriotism or service, when they themselves never served. When they themselves in fact did everything they could to get out of serving. Those folks can expect and should expect it a little blow back.
:lol

I wasn't sure how old you are. And frankly I think Trump is a douche bag, but it's not because he avoided the draft. It's because he is an arrogant prick and yes a hypocrite as well. Not sure there is a reason to dwell on that though. Certainly not worth making a big deal about day after day.
 

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Complete and utter bullshit.

If this was a democrat with 5 fucking deferments FOX NEWS would go to maintenance with outrage.
It was not an issue with Clinton, but Bush was attacked. It was not an issue with Obama but Trump is a target. Notice a pattern here?
 
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