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The real problem is not necessarily the content of the videos, although the content was surely taken out of context to an extent, it's that our dumbass President is out here more or less promoting messaging coming from violent hate groups.

Anybody who can't see that is either dumb as fuck or willfully ignorant because there is a R next to Trump's name.

There are right and wrong ways to go about stemming violence from Muslims/Muslim immigrants in a given part of the world, this is the furthest thing from the right way.
He knows exactly what he is doing.

He is continuing to keep the base that got him elected enflamed.

Every. Fucking. Day.

His Twitter account is a continual and non-stop machine. It either affirms what some believe or pisses off others.

That creates division and polarization. That alone is what got him elected.

I know he appears to be a buffoon, but at the end of the day, it is almost genius.

Keep Joe Six Pack pissed off every single goddamn day against the "liberals" and especially Hillary Clinton. Then if you get tired of that, then throw in the media that calls you out on your bullshit.

It is pretty masterful in a way.

The sad part is that a lot of people don't realize they are being manipulated into doing...exactly....what...he...wants.

On both sides.
 

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It would be awesome if the content of the videos were verifiable. They are not.

In fact, there is a lot of evidence they were staged.

Then you have the viral aspect, where somebody said it was a Muslim.

https://www.snopes.com/video-beating-dutch-boy-crutches/

What people just fail to fucking get is that every damn day there is a propaganda war being waged for their brains and now, unfortunately, they have the responsibility to find out for themselves what is "fake news" and what is legitimate.

What Trump is doing is what all good moronic despots do.

They try to make things simple for the masses.

He tells them who is fake and who is not. And some believe it because it is convenient..

If I am ruling, and I control both Church and Media, I have a huge win.

Why? Because your common everyday person is just fucking stupid.

Sorry, but that is how it works.

Allow them to take direction and stop using their brains.

Look, I am not stupid enough to think that both the left and the right don't equally dole out their versions of reality.

But to pretend there is one "true" reality is just narrow minded and obtuse.

If you are digesting it, you find out, through research or thought, how legitimate it is.

It is called processing what you see.

But most people are too "busy" or just frankly too intellectually limited to bother.
This is beautiful and 100% true.
 

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He knows exactly what he is doing.

He is continuing to keep the base that got him elected enflamed.

Every. Fucking. Day.

His Twitter account is a continual and non-stop machine. It either affirms what some believe or pisses off others.

That creates division and polarization. That alone is what got him elected.

I know he appears to be a buffoon, but at the end of the day, it is almost genius.

Keep Joe Six Pack pissed off every single goddamn day against the "liberals" and especially Hillary Clinton. Then if you get tired of that, then throw in the media that calls you out on your bullshit.

It is pretty masterful in a way.

The sad part is that a lot of people don't realize they are being manipulated into doing...exactly....what...he...wants.

On both sides.
Yea, can't argue with any of that except for that I don't think it will be a successful strategy come next election.

He got lucky enough that the Democrats basically strong-armed a very unlikable candidate into the nomination, and on top of that a candidate who was apparently dumb or arrogant enough to completely ignore places like Wisconsin and Michigan, places that she lost in the primaries.

Unless the Democrats find someone as unlikable as Clinton (damn near impossible) I can't see this bullshit carnival barker shit working again.
 

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He knows exactly what he is doing.

He is continuing to keep the base that got him elected enflamed.

Every. Fucking. Day.

His Twitter account is a continual and non-stop machine. It either affirms what some believe or pisses off others.

That creates division and polarization. That alone is what got him elected.

I know he appears to be a buffoon, but at the end of the day, it is almost genius.

Keep Joe Six Pack pissed off every single goddamn day against the "liberals" and especially Hillary Clinton. Then if you get tired of that, then throw in the media that calls you out on your bullshit.

It is pretty masterful in a way.

The sad part is that a lot of people don't realize they are being manipulated into doing...exactly....what...he...wants.

On both sides.
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He knows exactly what he is doing.

He is continuing to keep the base that got him elected enflamed.

Every. Fucking. Day.

His Twitter account is a continual and non-stop machine. It either affirms what some believe or pisses off others.

That creates division and polarization. That alone is what got him elected.

I know he appears to be a buffoon, but at the end of the day, it is almost genius.

Keep Joe Six Pack pissed off every single goddamn day against the "liberals" and especially Hillary Clinton. Then if you get tired of that, then throw in the media that calls you out on your bullshit.

It is pretty masterful in a way.

The sad part is that a lot of people don't realize they are being manipulated into doing...exactly....what...he...wants.

On both sides.
This may or may not be true but even if it is this is the same strategy every elected politician plays to keep their constituents supporting them. There is nothing new here.
 

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Are you really that naive to think no Muslim has ever been assaulted?
Not what I said. But, if it happened nearly as often as the other way around there would be video somewhere out there. There are tons of video that show Muslims assaulting other people.

Point is, it doesn't happen nearly as often as is being portrayed by this stupid narrative.
 

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AP FACT CHECK: Anti-Muslim videos misrepresent what happened

AP FACT CHECK: Anti-Muslim videos misrepresent what happened

WASHINGTON (AP) — Like much other propaganda, the anti-Muslim videos spread around by President Donald Trump mix grains of truth, fakery and shades in between, overlaid with a message meant to be a blunt hammer blow for a cause.

Trump's penchant for sharing doctored images and making false statements on Twitter means that content tweeted or retweeted by the president should be viewed skeptically. His spokeswoman, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, suggested the veracity of the videos wasn't a high priority amid concern over national security and strong borders, saying: "Whether it's a real video, the threat is real and that is what the president is talking about."

Here's a look at known facts behind the videos tweeted by a far-right British fringe group and retweeted by President Trump:

FALSE

One video shows a young man attacking another who is on crutches, near a river bank. It was originally posted to a Dutch viral video site in May and picked up by Dutch media. In her tweet, Jayda Fransen, the deputy leader of Britain First, wrote: "VIDEO: Muslim migrant beats up Dutch boy on crutches!" But the victim was not attacked by a Muslim migrant.

"Facts do matter," the Dutch Embassy in Washington said in a tweet directed at Trump. "The perpetrator of the violent act in this video was born and raised in the Netherlands. He received and completed his sentence under Dutch law."

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APPARENTLY TRUE

One video shows a man, said to be a supporter of Syria's al-Qaida affiliate then known as the Nusra Front, smashing a statue of the Virgin Mary. The Middle East Media Research Institute identified the man as Sheikk Omar Raghba. In the video, he declares that "idols" will no longer be worshipped in the Levant before he smashes the statue, half his size, in the Yakubiya village in northwestern Syria.

The circumstances are not verified, but the images ring true. It's well known that Islamic extremists target people and objects of other faiths — Christians, Jews, Muslims of other sects and movements — as well as indiscriminate populations. Also well known: Anti-Muslim extremists in the U.S. and other countries of the West have torched mosques. The video appeared online in 2013.

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MISSING PIECES

One video, blurry and shaky, shows someone falling from the roof of an apparent elevator shaft, then at least one man punching the victim. "Islamist mob pushes a teenage boy off roof and beats him to death!" says the tweet introducing it.

The video was filmed days after the overthrow of Islamist President Mohammed Morsi by Egypt's military. In the video, a supporter of Morsi is seen roaming the roof of a building in the coastal city of Alexandria, raising a black flag often used by militants. Little else is obvious from the video except that a confrontation was unfolding on the roof. Perpetrators of the roof violence were sentenced to death for killing a boy and a man.

The wider context of those killings was ignored — the fact that both sides had blood on their hands. It was a time of violent protests by pro-Morsi protesters and a violent military crackdown. More than 1,000 people died in the military's dispersal of Islamic protests.
 

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Sarah Sanders' absolutely unreal explanation of Trump's anti-Muslim video tweets

Sarah Sanders' absolutely unreal explanation of Trump's anti-Muslim video tweets

On Wednesday morning, President Donald Trump retweeted three videos purportedly showing Muslims committing acts of violence against Christians. He did so despite the fact that the videos came from a far-right, anti-Muslim group in Britain and remain unverified.

Which is all beside the point, according to White House press secretary Sarah Sanders.

"Whether it is a real video, the threat is real," Sanders told reporters Wednesday morning. "That is what the President is talking about, that is what the President is focused on is dealing with those real threats, and those are real no matter how you look at it."
When pressed on the difference between the videos being real or fake, Sanders replied, "I'm not talking about the nature of the video. I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. The threat is real, and that's what the President is talking about."

Yes. She really said that. The official spokesperson for the White House said that whether or not videos depicting violence committed by Muslims are actually real is beside the point. And that by focusing on whether the videos are real, reporters are "focusing on the wrong things." :lol

Here's Sanders' argument in simpler terms: The end justifies the means. We know that Muslims commit acts of violence and hate the West. So, whether or not the actions depicted in these videos are real doesn't actually matter. They are a symbol of something that is real.

Which is, of course, a) ridiculous and b) dangerous.

It's controversial enough for Trump to use his bully pulpit -- and his massive Twitter following -- to pass around videos that seek to paint an entire religion with a broad, negative brush. "These are people who want to get you and we need to get them first!" is the unmistakable message Trump is sending by passing on videos like these.

To do so when no one knows whether or not the videos have been edited, doctored or faked entirely is beyond the pale. This is classic leap-before-you-look-ism. It's not great in any circumstance. It's even worse when it's the President of the United States seeking to use the videos to prove a point about the threat posed by radical Islamic terrorists.

But -- and I didn't even think this was possible -- Sanders actually made what Trump did worse! The veracity of the videos doesn't matter, she argued. The point is how the videos make people feel!

(Sidebar: Sanders' response reminds me of the scene in "Blades of Glory" when Will Ferrell and Jon Heder are debating what song they should skate to. Ferrell demands it be "My Humps" by the Black Eyed Peas. Heder's character balks, arguing that he doesn't even understand what the song means. "No one knows what it means, but it's provocative," responds Ferrell's character.)

In an administration made famous/infamous by "alternative facts" and a near-daily assault on truth, Sanders' assertion fits right in. Trump has made clear -- on more than 1,600 occasions since being sworn in as President -- that facts are to be ignored when they don't fit your preferred narrative.

None of what Sanders said, then, should be surprising. And yet, her brazenness in asserting that fake and real is a meaningless distinction is stunning. Truly.
 

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It's Not an Act

It's Not an Act

It’s no longer possible to pretend that President Trump is simply playing at bigotry, hypocrisy, and detachment from reality.

Over the past 24 hours, President Trump has delivered a concentrated dose of misinformation, self-sabotage, hypocrisy, and bigotry that stands out even by the standards of his short and eventful political career.

The president blew up negotiations to fund the government with a tweet attacking Democratic congressional leaders. He retweeted inflammatory and misleading anti-Islam videos from a bigoted far-right British politician. He joked about presenting a “Fake News Trophy” to media networks. He called attention to Matt Lauer, the NBC host fired on Wednesday for sexual misconduct, despite Trump’s own past admissions of sexual assault. He baselessly implied that NBC host Joe Scarborough, a onetime informal adviser, might have been involved in the death of an intern years ago in Florida. And several outlets reported that the president privately continues to claim preposterous things, including that it wasn’t him on the Access Hollywood tape and that Barack Obama really wasn’t born in the United States.

It’s unclear what precipitated the meltdown. Trump was having a decent stretch in office, including relatively smooth progress for the GOP tax bill. Taken individually, none of these examples is all that unusual for Trump. His bigotry toward Muslims has been on display for years. He has blown up budget negotiations before. He frequently passes along unverified and false information. His hypocrisy about sexual-harassment allegations is not new. He has a weakness for conspiracy theories.

Taken together, however, they offer yet another display of poor judgment and divisive leadership from the putative leader of the free world, and they again cast doubt on his fitness for his office. They are also further evidence that Trump’s hypocrisy, bigotry, and dishonesty are not an act. He means it all.

On Tuesday, North Korea launched what appears to be its most powerful rocket yet, one it claims is capable of reaching the East Coast of the United States. There’s no time when it’s safe for a nation to have a leader who cannot grapple with reality, but it is especially dangerous at a moment when a nuclear adversary is brandishing ever more powerful rockets at the United States.

The videos that Trump retweeted were from Jayda Fransen, the leader of the far-right political party Britain First. Fransen was convicted last year of harassing a Muslim woman for wearing a hijab. The three videos that Trump retweeted are a mixed bag. The first, labeled, “Islamist mob pushes teenage boy off roof and beats him to death!” depicts an attack by supporters of the deposed Islamist president of Egypt, Mohammed Morsi, on a young man; his killer was later hanged. The second is labeled “Muslim migrant beats up Dutch boy on crutches!” According to Dutch media reports, however, none of the people involved are Muslims. The provenance of the third, labeled “Muslim Destroys a Statue of Virgin Mary!” is unclear; it shows a man crushing a ceramic statue, and has no apparent point beyond inflaming anger at Muslims. The office of British Prime Minister Theresa May condemned Trump for retweeting the videos.

Trump has no hesitations about inflaming anger toward Muslims, and in fact he revels in it. But while some supporters wrote off such behavior as politicking during the campaign, Trump’s persistence now indicates a more deep-seated bigotry. His continued provocations also hurt his cause. His tweets about the “Muslim ban” on immigration have already caused judges to rule against the order in court, and Neal Katyal, a lawyer arguing against the ban, suggested Wednesday that he’ll use the latest tweets against Trump as well.

The president’s willingness to pass along the videos without vetting them, knowing what was in them, or considering their source is the latest example of his unwillingness or inability to separate accurate information from dreck. Trump has at least a double standard on this. On the one hand, he refused to quickly condemn violence by neo-Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August, saying he needed to first understand what had happened. “I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct, not make a quick statement,” he said. When the alleged villains are Muslims, Trump is not so careful.

Moreover, Trump is spreading misinformation at the same time that he bashes the press for supposedly doing the same. Commenting on the Lauer firing, Trump implicitly accused NBC News Chairman Andy Lack of sexual harassment, without offering any evidence. He also referred to an old, and long-debunked, accusation that Scarborough had been involved in the death of a staffer in his congressional office in Florida in 2001. (That conspiracy theory has been pursued over the years by both the left and the right.)

Fake-news claims aside, hypocrisy also surges through any condemnation Trump offers for sexual harassment, as I’ve noted previously. Even as many powerful men are punished for unacceptable behavior, ranging from the criminal to the creepy, Trump himself has escaped sanction for his own. Not only are there 16 women who have accused him of various degrees of harassment, but Trump himself admitted to sexually harassing women in the infamous Access Hollywood tape revealed in October 2016.

“I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything,” Trump said. “Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

But the president has a new solution to that problem: He’s simply denying that it was him, offering the least plausible defense since Shaggy’s 2000 hit song. The New York Times first reported this over the weekend, and Tuesday night both The Times and The Washington Post added more detail.

“We don’t think that was my voice,” Trump told a senator, according to The Times, which adds, “Since then, Mr. Trump has continued to suggest that the tape that nearly upended his campaign was not actually him, according to three people close to the president.”

This is not the only case where Trump is at odds with plain reality. The Times again:

In recent months, they say, Mr. Trump has used closed-door conversations to question the authenticity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. He has also repeatedly claimed that he lost the popular vote last year because of widespread voter fraud, according to advisers and lawmakers.

One senator who listened as the president revived his doubts about Mr. Obama’s birth certificate chuckled on Tuesday as he recalled the conversation. The president, he said, has had a hard time letting go of his claim that Mr. Obama was not born in the United States.

Trump’s insistence on debunked arguments about Obama’s place of birth and about widespread voter fraud were once viewed as political posturing. For his critics, this kind of behavior was demagoguish, immoral, appalling, and divisive. For his defenders, it was perhaps a little boorish, but then again all is fair in politics; besides, they liked his willingness to throw a punch. Either way, the shared assumption for many (though by no means all) observers was that Trump was being disingenuous.

Since then, however, the president has repeatedly demonstrated that he’s not just posturing, and it’s not simply a cynical ploy. Trump isn’t being hypocritical simply for sport or political gain. His bigotry isn’t just an act to win over a certain segment of the population. Of course it wasn’t: Trump has been demonstrating that since he arrived in the news, settling a case alleging that he had kept African Americans out of his apartment buildings, up through his demand to execute the Central Park Five. He isn’t spreading misinformation just to twist the political discourse—though he may be doing that—but because he can’t or won’t assess it. It is not an act.

All of this has been clear to anyone willing to see it for a long time, yet some people have convinced themselves it’s merely an act. That includes the Republican members of Congress who shake their heads but try to ignore the tweets. It includes the senator who chuckles at Trump’s enduring birtherism. And it includes the White House staffers who, according to The Times, are “stunned” to hear their boss denying the Access Hollywood tape. It’s stunning that they’re still stunned.
 

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Each passing day of this presidency has me increasingly convinced that the election was a giant prank.
 

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Bringing that up just cheapened the entire point of the gathering. It was to honor the Code Talkers. Not use the opportunity to attack his political opponent.

That is his problem. He has no regard for anyone or anything other than himself.

What is funny is that he himself lied about his "Swedish" heritage, keeping one his father made up to sell more apartments.

Not only is he crass and crude, he is a hypocrite.
Exactly.

I don't know why this concept is so hard to grasp for some people, even if you are a Trump supporter.

I think the problem is age. Someone of LT's age is likely ok with the Redskins name as well because they grew up at a time when it was ok to say and do certain things that are politically incorrect.

You're basically talking to a wall with folks like him.

They simply do not get it......at all.
 

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Exactly.

I don't know why this concept is so hard to grasp for some people, even if you are a Trump supporter.

I think the problem is age. Someone of LT's age is likely ok with the Redskins name as well because they grew up at a time when it was ok to say and do certain things that are politically incorrect.

You're basically talking to a wall with folks like him.

They simply do not get it......at all.
Yeah people my age are so stupid. Only if you are young can you understand how things should be. The country is so much more improved by the current generation. Is that about it?
 

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Yeah people my age are so stupid. Only if you are young can you understand how things should be. The country is so much more improved by the current generation. Is that about it?
Hey, it was dipshits like you that gave us Trump.
 

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That’s because dipshits like me didn’t want Hillary in office by dipshits like you.
They're mad at you for rejecting her .. despite the fact that they rejected her eight years ago in favor of Obama. The gall of those people.
 

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And that's worked out so well for all of us.

Worst leader in American history by a large margin.
You have no idea how his tour in office will be because you are so wound up by your hatred , bias and sour grapes you can!t see anything good even if it occurs Further you will continue with this mentality regardless of the outcome.
 

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Not what I said. But, if it happened nearly as often as the other way around there would be video somewhere out there. There are tons of video that show Muslims assaulting other people.

Point is, it doesn't happen nearly as often as is being portrayed by this stupid narrative.
??? What doesn't happen nearly as often?
 

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??? What doesn't happen nearly as often?
Violence against Muslims doesn't happen nearly as often as violence from Muslims against other people.
 

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Violence against Muslims doesn't happen nearly as often as violence from Muslims against other people.
Muslims or Islamic Radicalists?

I think there's a difference.
 
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