President Trump Thread (Part 2)

[2233boys]

Why is this bad, Irv?

Because this was all adjudicated in his first term, by an independent council, DOJ and congress. Like Irv said it is a distraction.

 

[2233boys]

Almost all of it was in Biden's term.

The Democrats tried to blame inflation on Trump, but even by their own chart it's clear as day there was massive inflation under Biden and relatively stable prices under both Trump terms so far.

If we are being honest, inflation wasn't the fault of Trump or Biden it was global and were a result of disruptions to the supply chain, increased consumer demand, and raising energy and foot prices. I think a big piece too was price gouging (IMO). The COVID pandemic triggered both supply-side and demand-side shocks, leading to a surge in prices for goods and services.

 

[Genghis Khan]

If we are being honest, inflation wasn't the fault of Trump or Biden it was global and were a result of disruptions to the supply chain, increased consumer demand, and raising energy and foot prices. I think a big piece too was price gouging (IMO). The COVID pandemic triggered both supply-side and demand-side shocks, leading to a surge in prices for goods and services.

No. It had in large part to do with Biden's disastrous energy policies. When the price of gas skyrockets, guess what it does to goods that have to be shipped using gas across long distances? The price goes way, way up.

 

[2233boys]

No. It had in large part to do with Biden's disastrous energy policies. When the price of gas skyrockets, guess what it does to goods that have to be shipped using gas across long distances? The price goes way, way up.

Please provide the policy that caused inflation and be prepared to explain how it did what you said it did.

The United States produced more oil and gas during the Biden administration than at any other time in its history. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), U.S. crude oil production hit a record high in 2023, averaging over 12.9 million barrels per day—surpassing previous records set in 2019.

Source: U.S. EIA, “Petroleum & Other Liquids,” 2024

The increase in production was driven by market demand, technological advancements, and private sector investment rather than federal policy alone.


Regarding inflation, it’s important to note that global inflation was a widespread phenomenon, driven primarily by supply chain disruptions, labor shortages, and increased demand following the COVID-19 pandemic. These effects were not limited to the U.S.

Source: International Monetary Fund (IMF), “World Economic Outlook,” 2023

Gas prices did contribute to inflation, especially in transportation and logistics. However, part of the price spike stemmed from a 2020 agreement between the Trump administration and OPEC+ countries to reduce oil production. This agreement aimed to stabilize the market during the early pandemic but had lingering effects as demand rebounded faster than supply could rebound.

Source: Reuters, “Trump says he helped broker oil deal with Russia, Saudi Arabia,” April 2020
Source: CNBC, “Gas prices began to fall in mid-2022,” July 2022

Prices began to decline around mid-2022 as global supply caught up with demand and market conditions adjusted.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Please provide the policy that caused inflation and be prepared to explain how it did what you said it did.

The United States produced more oil and gas during the Biden administration than at any other time in its history. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), U.S. crude oil production hit a record high in 2023, averaging over 12.9 million barrels per day—surpassing previous records set in 2019.

Source: U.S. EIA, “Petroleum & Other Liquids,” 2024

The increase in production was driven by market demand, technological advancements, and private sector investment rather than federal policy alone.


Regarding inflation, it’s important to note that global inflation was a widespread phenomenon, driven primarily by supply chain disruptions, labor shortages, and increased demand following the COVID-19 pandemic. These effects were not limited to the U.S.

Source: International Monetary Fund (IMF), “World Economic Outlook,” 2023

Gas prices did contribute to inflation, especially in transportation and logistics. However, part of the price spike stemmed from a 2020 agreement between the Trump administration and OPEC+ countries to reduce oil production. This agreement aimed to stabilize the market during the early pandemic but had lingering effects as demand rebounded faster than supply could rebound.

Source: Reuters, “Trump says he helped broker oil deal with Russia, Saudi Arabia,” April 2020
Source: CNBC, “Gas prices began to fall in mid-2022,” July 2022

Prices began to decline around mid-2022 as global supply caught up with demand and market conditions adjusted.

No.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Because this was all adjudicated in his first term, by an independent council, DOJ and congress. Like Irv said it is a distraction.

It obviously wasn't.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I think a big piece too was price gouging (IMO).

 

[Chocolate Lab]

And for @Chocolate Lab:

An X user asked Grok about the clip, "What do you notice?"

The chatbot answered, "In the video, a companion drops a golf ball from the sand trap onto the fairway, allowing an improved lie without penalty—clear evidence of cheating, which aligns with known allegations about Trump's golf habits."

I bet 90% of golfers don't play strictly by the Rules of Golf.

 

[bbgun]

It obviously wasn't.

Correct. Trump was exonerated in his first term, but the people who put him and the country through Russiagate have never paid the piper.

 

[2233boys]

It obviously wasn't.

LOL of course it was, Trumps DOJ hired an independent counsel to investigate it all.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Trump was exonerated in his first term

The only people who used that word were Trump and his mouth-breathing followers.

 

[2233boys]

Correct. Trump was exonerated in his first term, but the people who put him and the country through Russiagate have never paid the piper.

Multiple investigations confirmed that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report (2019) concluded that while Russia engaged in a “sweeping and systematic” effort to influence the election, the investigation did not establish that the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government. However, a bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee report (2020) found that Trump campaign officials had extensive contacts with individuals tied to Russian intelligence and assessed that the campaign "presented a grave counterintelligence threat"—a conclusion some interpreted as evidence of collusion, although the report stopped short of formally accusing the campaign of criminal conspiracy.

Even though we have confirmed that Russia interfered in the 2016 election, President Trump and some members of his administration frequently dismissed or contradicted those conclusions. Trump publicly questioned the legitimacy of the Russia investigation, labeled it a "hoax," and accused officials like former FBI Director James Comey, Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton of conducting a politically motivated "witch hunt."


Trump often claimed that there was no interference by Russia, and suggested that the FBI and Democrats fabricated the allegations for political gain.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

I bet 90% of golfers don't play strictly by the Rules of Golf.

Someone once said golf is like biker shorts. They (it) reveals a lot about a person.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

OF course... but,

1) all of his minions have said since 2015 that Trump was different.

2) they were right, he has taken it to a whole new level.

I mean he does have 4 years to fulfill his promises right? Why do we act like everything must be completed in half a year?

 

[Genghis Khan]

Why do we act like everything must be completed in half a year?

You know why.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

I mean he does have 4 years to fulfill his promises right? Why do we act like everything must be completed in half a year?

Because he said it would be done on "day one".

Now I'm not that unrelenting that I would expect that these things would be done in 24 hours, but it's obvious he didn't even have a fucking plan.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

You know why.

You've obviously got low expectations.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Because he said it would be done on "day one".

Now I'm not that unrelenting that I would expect that these things would be done in 24 hours, but it's obvious he didn't even have a fucking plan.

I mean he obviously had a plan for some stuff. Its why the sky was falling over tariffs for example. And then the sky was falling when we bombed a nuclear sight and yadda yadda yadda. Let's not pretend like this Presidency has been a bunch of nothing. A lot of shit has been done by this president and the administration. Even though I know you don't like any of it.

 

[bbgun]

Multiple investigations confirmed that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report (2019) concluded that while Russia engaged in a “sweeping and systematic” effort to influence the election, the investigation did not establish that the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government.

So it was a colossal waste of time and money. Funny how the Russians had privileged info about Hillary's deteriorating health but neglected to share it with Trump's team. Why it's almost as if they wanted her to win.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Tariffs? You mean like 2 months ago when he said over 180 countries were beating down our door to make trade deals? How many have been signed? You can probably count them on one hand.

And the Iran bombing has been a big ball of empty bloviating about "obliteration" when there has been zero evidence to prove it.

What's next?