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Spurs would want control should NFL team relocate to S.A.
By Tom Orsborn and Josh Baugh
August 11, 2014 | Updated: August 11, 2014 1:56pm
SAN ANTONIO — Shortly after news broke last month of the Oakland Raiders' exploratory visit to San Antonio, a city leader suggested the addition of another major league sports franchise to this small market could negatively impact the Spurs.
While admitting he viewed Raiders owner Mark Davis' interest in San Antonio as a possible relocation site with skepticism, councilman Joe Krier warned the city had to make sure it didn't do anything to harm the NBA champions and should seek the club's blessing before talking further with Davis.
“(Former U.S. senator) Phil Gramm used to say, 'It never hurts to tell your sweetheart you love her,'” Krier said. “The Spurs have been our sweetheart for 30 years. They have put this community on the map. This community has given them its love and affection. I wouldn't want to do something that says, 'You're my old girlfriend, but the Oakland Raiders called, and y'all kind of need to take one step back so we can start dancing with our new girlfriend.'
“I'm not inclined to do that. There'd have to be some awfully good reasons that make an awful lot of sense for us to do that.”
Krier's comments underscore this fact: While the chances of the Raiders relocating appear to be remote, Davis' meeting with a who's-who collection of local civic and business titans led by former Mayor Henry Cisneros reignited talk of whether San Antonio is a viable NFL market.
And many share Krier's belief that any conversation about San Antonio and the NFL must include a thorough discussion of whether the addition of another major league franchise to a city with a limited corporate base would indeed hurt the Spurs.
In the wake of Davis' whirlwind tour of San Antonio, sources with knowledge of the visit said Spurs Sports & Entertainment would be against the Raiders, as they are currently structured, relocating to South Texas. SS&E is the holding company headed by Peter Holt that owns the Spurs, the WNBA's Stars, the minor league hockey Rampage, and, according to sources, continues to studiously eye a venture into professional soccer.
Davis' San Antonio stops included one to Holt's home, Cisneros said. Although Cisneros described Davis as a “big fan of the Spurs” who wanted to meet Holt to find out “how a winning franchise does it,” sources said business was also discussed.
Holt did not return phone messages from the Express-News requesting an interview, but Spurs shareholder Charlie Amato indicated SS&E harbors concerns about its long-term financial health should it be forced to compete with another major league franchise for sponsorships, suite sales and ticket sales.
The solution, Amato said, would be for SS&E to have controlling interest in the Raiders or perhaps any other major league franchise that wanted to move to San Antonio.
“I would be more excited about the Oakland Raiders moving to San Antonio if the Spurs ownership group had the possibility of purchasing the team,” said Amato, chairman and co-founder of Southwest Business Corporation.
Amato said if the SS&E controlled the Raiders, it would ensure the football club would be well run by a management team that has proven marketing success in a challenging environment. A template would be available in the form of Tom Benson's ownership in New Orleans of the NFL's Saints and the NBA's Pelicans.
“We have developed a successful culture under the leadership of Peter Holt and have 20- to 25-year employees who have the ability to manage both franchises and help lower the overall cost of running an NFL team,” Amato said.
“(The Spurs' control) would make it more affordable and more appealing to the San Antonio market. ... We are blessed with a great ownership group in which we park our egos at the door when we have our meetings, and Peter never abuses (us) by shoving things down our throats. I have been in other minority situations with other groups where it was a nightmare.”
A Spurs-controlled NFL team would also ensure the football club would be culturally compatible with the NBA power, Amato said.
Indeed, it's hard to imagine two more different franchises than the Spurs and Raiders. With the exception of their silver and black colors, the clubs have little in common.
The Spurs are the defending NBA champions, having destroyed the Miami Heat two months ago for their fifth league title in the last 16 years. The Raiders won three Super Bowls between the 1976 and 1983 seasons, but they haven't been to the playoffs since 2002.
By any measure, the Spurs are one of the best-run franchises in all of sports while the Raiders are considered one of the worst run in the NFL.
For years, the Spurs have filled their roster with good citizens. The Raiders, with their menacing “Black Hole” fans and the “Just win, baby” legacy of their late owner Al Davis, embrace their renegade image.
“It's very important that another sports franchise that comes into San Antonio have the same high quality culture that exists with the Spurs,” Amato said.
Billionaire B.J. “Red” McCombs also met with Davis. Although a source said Davis appeared to be open to adding an equity partner, McCombs said it was uncertain whether Davis would want local ownership should he decide to relocate to San Antonio.
The concerns of Krier and Amato notwithstanding, one industry expert believes an NFL team could succeed in San Antonio independent of the Spurs' control.
Bernie Mullin, chairman and chief executive officer of The Aspire Group, an Atlanta-based global sports and entertainment firm with ties to the University of Texas, believes NFL teams seeking to relocate should seriously consider moving to South or Central Texas.
“San Antonio is a very attractive market for the right sport — and football is one of those right sports,” said Mullin, a former NBA executive. “The San Antonio market and certainly the South-Central Texas market of San Antonio and Austin combined are ones that definitely warrant in-depth consideration for any major league team (other than the NBA) that's looking to move to another market.”
The Aspire Group, which does ticket marketing, sales and service support for UT, recently concluded what Mullin termed a “very comprehensive study” for a major league franchise seeking to relocate that is not a member of the NFL. Among the global markets targeted were San Antonio, Austin and a combination of the two cities, Mullin said.
“The work we did indicated San Antonio and certainly somewhere between the San Antonio and Austin markets would appear to be extremely viable for the NFL,” Mullin said.
While he acknowledged San Antonio lacks a robust corporate base for pro sports sponsorships, Mullin believes an NFL team with only roughly 10 home games per season in such a tourism hotbed as the Alamo City would draw fans and sponsors from an “extremely large radius.” He also stressed the NFL's lucrative television contracts would help offset the city's meager corporate base.
“The centralized revenue streams, especially from those contracts, are so large, so substantial, they make the (paltry) sponsorship revenue in a small corporate market less impactful,” Mullin said.
The Aspire Group's study also pointed out that although NFL owners seek markets with average annual income much higher than San Antonio's, that concern could be offset by marketing Austin.
“The average disposable income in the (San Antonio) market is a concern, but it's higher in Austin,” Mullin said.
Still, it would appear unlikely the Raiders would leave a top-five media market for one ranked in the 30s. The Raiders' stadium lease with Oakland and Alameda County expires after this season. Davis has said repeatedly he wants to keep the team in Oakland but does not want to sign another short-term lease without an agreement in place for a new stadium.
Larry Reid, Oakland vice mayor and councilman, said he believes a new stadium for the Raiders would cost more than $1 billion, with funding of about $200 million coming from the NFL's stadium loan program. The rest would come from the Raiders and private developers.
“Talks are still alive and there is definitely reason for hope, but the window of opportunity is somewhat closing fairly quickly on us,” Reid said. “We will continue to have discussions with the Raiders and, hopefully, they will continue to be committed to staying here in the City of Oakland as they have indicated.”
But even if the Raiders stay put, it's reasonable to believe NFL teams with stadium issues will come calling. Krier, for one, believes San Antonio should be prepared to rebuff those flirtations should the Spurs be threatened.
“I wouldn't want to march down this road of offering concessions and facilities and all the things you usually do to get a team without making sure that our existing sweetheart, the San Antonio Spurs, is comfortable at least with where we're going. I'd want to have some conversations,” Krier said. “Whether that means that Peter Holt is an investor, or the Spurs are an investor ... that would be decided above my pay grade.
“But I would sure want to know what the Spurs organization thinks about us marching into a new pro team, and particularly marching into a new pro team with a whole bunch of incentives and financial support.”
By Tom Orsborn and Josh Baugh
August 11, 2014 | Updated: August 11, 2014 1:56pm
SAN ANTONIO — Shortly after news broke last month of the Oakland Raiders' exploratory visit to San Antonio, a city leader suggested the addition of another major league sports franchise to this small market could negatively impact the Spurs.
While admitting he viewed Raiders owner Mark Davis' interest in San Antonio as a possible relocation site with skepticism, councilman Joe Krier warned the city had to make sure it didn't do anything to harm the NBA champions and should seek the club's blessing before talking further with Davis.
“(Former U.S. senator) Phil Gramm used to say, 'It never hurts to tell your sweetheart you love her,'” Krier said. “The Spurs have been our sweetheart for 30 years. They have put this community on the map. This community has given them its love and affection. I wouldn't want to do something that says, 'You're my old girlfriend, but the Oakland Raiders called, and y'all kind of need to take one step back so we can start dancing with our new girlfriend.'
“I'm not inclined to do that. There'd have to be some awfully good reasons that make an awful lot of sense for us to do that.”
Krier's comments underscore this fact: While the chances of the Raiders relocating appear to be remote, Davis' meeting with a who's-who collection of local civic and business titans led by former Mayor Henry Cisneros reignited talk of whether San Antonio is a viable NFL market.
And many share Krier's belief that any conversation about San Antonio and the NFL must include a thorough discussion of whether the addition of another major league franchise to a city with a limited corporate base would indeed hurt the Spurs.
In the wake of Davis' whirlwind tour of San Antonio, sources with knowledge of the visit said Spurs Sports & Entertainment would be against the Raiders, as they are currently structured, relocating to South Texas. SS&E is the holding company headed by Peter Holt that owns the Spurs, the WNBA's Stars, the minor league hockey Rampage, and, according to sources, continues to studiously eye a venture into professional soccer.
Davis' San Antonio stops included one to Holt's home, Cisneros said. Although Cisneros described Davis as a “big fan of the Spurs” who wanted to meet Holt to find out “how a winning franchise does it,” sources said business was also discussed.
Holt did not return phone messages from the Express-News requesting an interview, but Spurs shareholder Charlie Amato indicated SS&E harbors concerns about its long-term financial health should it be forced to compete with another major league franchise for sponsorships, suite sales and ticket sales.
The solution, Amato said, would be for SS&E to have controlling interest in the Raiders or perhaps any other major league franchise that wanted to move to San Antonio.
“I would be more excited about the Oakland Raiders moving to San Antonio if the Spurs ownership group had the possibility of purchasing the team,” said Amato, chairman and co-founder of Southwest Business Corporation.
Amato said if the SS&E controlled the Raiders, it would ensure the football club would be well run by a management team that has proven marketing success in a challenging environment. A template would be available in the form of Tom Benson's ownership in New Orleans of the NFL's Saints and the NBA's Pelicans.
“We have developed a successful culture under the leadership of Peter Holt and have 20- to 25-year employees who have the ability to manage both franchises and help lower the overall cost of running an NFL team,” Amato said.
“(The Spurs' control) would make it more affordable and more appealing to the San Antonio market. ... We are blessed with a great ownership group in which we park our egos at the door when we have our meetings, and Peter never abuses (us) by shoving things down our throats. I have been in other minority situations with other groups where it was a nightmare.”
A Spurs-controlled NFL team would also ensure the football club would be culturally compatible with the NBA power, Amato said.
Indeed, it's hard to imagine two more different franchises than the Spurs and Raiders. With the exception of their silver and black colors, the clubs have little in common.
The Spurs are the defending NBA champions, having destroyed the Miami Heat two months ago for their fifth league title in the last 16 years. The Raiders won three Super Bowls between the 1976 and 1983 seasons, but they haven't been to the playoffs since 2002.
By any measure, the Spurs are one of the best-run franchises in all of sports while the Raiders are considered one of the worst run in the NFL.
For years, the Spurs have filled their roster with good citizens. The Raiders, with their menacing “Black Hole” fans and the “Just win, baby” legacy of their late owner Al Davis, embrace their renegade image.
“It's very important that another sports franchise that comes into San Antonio have the same high quality culture that exists with the Spurs,” Amato said.
Billionaire B.J. “Red” McCombs also met with Davis. Although a source said Davis appeared to be open to adding an equity partner, McCombs said it was uncertain whether Davis would want local ownership should he decide to relocate to San Antonio.
The concerns of Krier and Amato notwithstanding, one industry expert believes an NFL team could succeed in San Antonio independent of the Spurs' control.
Bernie Mullin, chairman and chief executive officer of The Aspire Group, an Atlanta-based global sports and entertainment firm with ties to the University of Texas, believes NFL teams seeking to relocate should seriously consider moving to South or Central Texas.
“San Antonio is a very attractive market for the right sport — and football is one of those right sports,” said Mullin, a former NBA executive. “The San Antonio market and certainly the South-Central Texas market of San Antonio and Austin combined are ones that definitely warrant in-depth consideration for any major league team (other than the NBA) that's looking to move to another market.”
The Aspire Group, which does ticket marketing, sales and service support for UT, recently concluded what Mullin termed a “very comprehensive study” for a major league franchise seeking to relocate that is not a member of the NFL. Among the global markets targeted were San Antonio, Austin and a combination of the two cities, Mullin said.
“The work we did indicated San Antonio and certainly somewhere between the San Antonio and Austin markets would appear to be extremely viable for the NFL,” Mullin said.
While he acknowledged San Antonio lacks a robust corporate base for pro sports sponsorships, Mullin believes an NFL team with only roughly 10 home games per season in such a tourism hotbed as the Alamo City would draw fans and sponsors from an “extremely large radius.” He also stressed the NFL's lucrative television contracts would help offset the city's meager corporate base.
“The centralized revenue streams, especially from those contracts, are so large, so substantial, they make the (paltry) sponsorship revenue in a small corporate market less impactful,” Mullin said.
The Aspire Group's study also pointed out that although NFL owners seek markets with average annual income much higher than San Antonio's, that concern could be offset by marketing Austin.
“The average disposable income in the (San Antonio) market is a concern, but it's higher in Austin,” Mullin said.
Still, it would appear unlikely the Raiders would leave a top-five media market for one ranked in the 30s. The Raiders' stadium lease with Oakland and Alameda County expires after this season. Davis has said repeatedly he wants to keep the team in Oakland but does not want to sign another short-term lease without an agreement in place for a new stadium.
Larry Reid, Oakland vice mayor and councilman, said he believes a new stadium for the Raiders would cost more than $1 billion, with funding of about $200 million coming from the NFL's stadium loan program. The rest would come from the Raiders and private developers.
“Talks are still alive and there is definitely reason for hope, but the window of opportunity is somewhat closing fairly quickly on us,” Reid said. “We will continue to have discussions with the Raiders and, hopefully, they will continue to be committed to staying here in the City of Oakland as they have indicated.”
But even if the Raiders stay put, it's reasonable to believe NFL teams with stadium issues will come calling. Krier, for one, believes San Antonio should be prepared to rebuff those flirtations should the Spurs be threatened.
“I wouldn't want to march down this road of offering concessions and facilities and all the things you usually do to get a team without making sure that our existing sweetheart, the San Antonio Spurs, is comfortable at least with where we're going. I'd want to have some conversations,” Krier said. “Whether that means that Peter Holt is an investor, or the Spurs are an investor ... that would be decided above my pay grade.
“But I would sure want to know what the Spurs organization thinks about us marching into a new pro team, and particularly marching into a new pro team with a whole bunch of incentives and financial support.”
