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Smitty
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Like a Carlos Boozer?
Just kidding, I'm not breaking up this team yet. It has a legit chance to beat Miami I think.
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Hell no, he does not space the floor well enough, and he brings nothing if he is not on offensivley.Like a Carlos Boozer?
Just kidding, I'm not breaking up this team yet. It has a legit chance to beat Miami I think.
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Well unless you are looking for a straight up one-dimensional floor spacer, you're not gonna find an available PF who can shoot from midrange better than Boozer anytime soon.
Boozer gets a bad rap because he plays lousy defense and has a bad contract, but he's a very good rebounder and is a fairly reliable mid-teens scorer even on a team like Chicago where he's a distant second option.
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Actually, if I was Houston, I think I'd definitely want him.
Just at a price that the Bulls would not accept. The Bulls are gonna need him to beat Miami this year, the only thing that makes sense for the Bulls is if he is traded in a package deal that brings them back a better, younger player (like Boozer, Mirotic, Charlotte pick for Kevin Love).
But if Houston could do like, Boozer for another expiring player and make salaries match, I think I'd do that if I was Houston.
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I know it's just preseason, but
http://www.blogabull.com/2013/10/21/4861900/derrick-rose-stats-preseason-chicago-bulls
http://www.blogabull.com/2013/10/21/4861900/derrick-rose-stats-preseason-chicago-bulls
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It is just preseason and means nothing. Rose is back and will be very, very good, but I wouldn't put anything into these numbers. He's one of the best players in the NBA and I don't need preseason stats to justify that.
Have you guys watched preseason? Guys going through the motions. Not much emotion. The stars and guys that have roster spots locked up are going 80% in these meaningless games while Rose hasn't played competitive basketball in 16 months is going balls to the wall to prove he is back to the NBA and himself.
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Even though it's only preseason I have been very impressed with his increased shooting range.
He's definitely a better perimeter shooter than he was two years ago.
Who knows, that knee injury may prove to be a blessing in disguise. Since his mobility was limited during rehab, I'm sure he spent more time than usual working on his jump shot and it appears that the growth of his overall game has been accelerated as a result.
So instead of having to rely heavily on his athleticism and slashing ability now it appears that he can hit jumpers from 20 feet and out with consistency.
He's definitely a better perimeter shooter than he was two years ago.
Who knows, that knee injury may prove to be a blessing in disguise. Since his mobility was limited during rehab, I'm sure he spent more time than usual working on his jump shot and it appears that the growth of his overall game has been accelerated as a result.
So instead of having to rely heavily on his athleticism and slashing ability now it appears that he can hit jumpers from 20 feet and out with consistency.
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No New Friends: Derrick Rose Has Returned to Destroy the NBA's BFF Culture
By Carles on October 24, 2013 4:00 PM ET
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/79758/no-new-friends-derrick-rose-has-returned-to-destroy-the-nbas-bff-culture
The past two NBA seasons haven’t felt right without Derrick Rose having his say. When the league’s youngest-ever MVP went down in the Bulls’ first game of their first-round series in the 2012 playoffs, the NBA immediately became an incomplete product. He was the bright future of the league, destined for, at the very least, epic annual playoff clashes with elite teams. Immediately after tearing his ACL, the Eastern Conference became less competitive, turning into a relative cakewalk for the Miami Heat. We badly missed the mere presence of Rose in a playoff series — he alone gave you enough reason to believe that the Bulls could prevail.
The return of Rose means welcoming back a player who isn’t interested in being a great player for social or cultural reasons. He doesn’t play the game with the purpose of building a global brand or finding validation by getting accepted to the “in crowd” of USA Basketball bro trips. The current generation of NBA stars often faces scrutiny from “old-timers” who claim there is too much camaraderie between players who should be rivals. Rose seems to be the last young player who has made his ultimate allegiance to his team, his family, and no new friends.
The Bulls, the league’s most “ride or die” squad, are finally relevant again. Despite their injury-plagued 2012-13 season of overachievement, Rose’s return restores their identity. The Bulls slow down every game, making every opponent play in a slugfest that they aren’t always prepared for. However, even with Rose in the lineup, the Bulls' offense can have difficulty generating easy scoring chances. Most Bulls fans are used to watching in horror as Carlos Boozer hurls the ball at the basket while the shot clock expires. Rose’s ability to keep the offensively challenged Bulls competitive with the league’s elite further elevates our perception of his greatness.
Rose doesn’t necessarily make playing basketball look easy. With every explosive drive, sharp cut, jump into traffic, or uneven landing, you can witness the toll of the game on his body. He turns basketball into an unnatural physical exertion that tests the limits of every muscle and ligament in his body. This makes his style of play admirable, but it probably isn’t sustainable. The post-injury phase of Rose’s career will hopefully see him learn to do more while exerting less, particularly in regular-season games. Becoming an NBA veteran is a process of rationing energy, preparing to empty the tank in the playoffs.
The start of the Bulls' season will feel like a honeymoon, but eventually the same questions about the construction of their team will present themselves. The Bulls and their star point guard still have the same interconnected flaws. Do the Bulls depend on Rose’s ability to perform the impossible, or is it Rose who subconsciously wants to take down every team’s Big Three by himself? Eventually, coach Tom Thibodeau shouldn’t have to make more with less.
Last season, Rose’s brother and manager, Reggie, made headlines when he said the Bulls hadn’t made enough significant personnel moves to motivate his brother to return by season’s end. Without the realistic opportunity to win a championship, there wasn’t an incentive for Derrick Rose to return to the lineup. Even if Rose returned, he probably wouldn’t be physically prepared to take on the superhuman workload that was required to shoulder the offensive responsibilities of the team. Reggie Rose was stating the obvious, but it was also a good move for the Bulls not to take on any additional payroll for a throwaway season.
It was difficult to watch the chatter about Derrick Rose’s return marginalized into an NBA narrative during last season’s playoffs. Despite being a predictable talking point for Chicago media, Rose never seems to want attention for anything that isn’t a byproduct of winning. Everyone turned into an armchair surgeon, declaring how long it should take a professional athlete to recover from ACL surgery, with Adrian Peterson as the new benchmark. It was all really indicative of how badly we wanted Rose back. His presence in the Eastern Conference gave us reason to believe that the conference didn’t belong to LeBron.
Rose and the Bulls are still figuring out how to maintain the core of their team, while significantly upgrading their offensive weaponry. The Bulls are still considered incomplete by some. Even if Rose got a high-quality complementary scoring threat, would he even know how to depend on the relief? Thibodeau has apparently implemented more Spurs-like offensive sets this season, promoting creativity, ball movement, and the facilitation of open shots. It is too early to tell if the Bulls have the players to make this offense a reality, or if it will eventually just return to the “Please bail us out, Derrick” offense.
There are rumors Rose has added a 3-pointer to his game during his rehabilitation. If his revamped stroke manifests itself during games, it means defenders will have to honor him as a 3-point shooter. Instead of watching defenders sag into the lane to throw another body in the way of Rose’s impending drive, he will see more lanes for shooting, passing, and attacking the basket. It's just one more step to becoming unguardable.
In just more than a season, Rose has had a long time to watch the NBA evolve without him. These days, we can’t imagine anyone but LeBron James or Kevin Durant winning the league’s Most Valuable Player award. Chris Paul is regarded as the league’s top point guard. Players like Stephen Curry, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard have all made well-publicized “leaps” — but none are on Rose’s level. The Miami Heat are somehow perceived as more invincible than ever. But he doesn't embrace these figures. He has no friends and no enemies. Just targets. Derrick Rose was missed because he embraces his role as a rival to destroy everything we feel comfortable believing about the state of the NBA.
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I have no clue what this guy means by ride or die but other than that I obviously thoroughly enjoyed this article.
By Carles on October 24, 2013 4:00 PM ET
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/79758/no-new-friends-derrick-rose-has-returned-to-destroy-the-nbas-bff-culture
The past two NBA seasons haven’t felt right without Derrick Rose having his say. When the league’s youngest-ever MVP went down in the Bulls’ first game of their first-round series in the 2012 playoffs, the NBA immediately became an incomplete product. He was the bright future of the league, destined for, at the very least, epic annual playoff clashes with elite teams. Immediately after tearing his ACL, the Eastern Conference became less competitive, turning into a relative cakewalk for the Miami Heat. We badly missed the mere presence of Rose in a playoff series — he alone gave you enough reason to believe that the Bulls could prevail.
The return of Rose means welcoming back a player who isn’t interested in being a great player for social or cultural reasons. He doesn’t play the game with the purpose of building a global brand or finding validation by getting accepted to the “in crowd” of USA Basketball bro trips. The current generation of NBA stars often faces scrutiny from “old-timers” who claim there is too much camaraderie between players who should be rivals. Rose seems to be the last young player who has made his ultimate allegiance to his team, his family, and no new friends.
The Bulls, the league’s most “ride or die” squad, are finally relevant again. Despite their injury-plagued 2012-13 season of overachievement, Rose’s return restores their identity. The Bulls slow down every game, making every opponent play in a slugfest that they aren’t always prepared for. However, even with Rose in the lineup, the Bulls' offense can have difficulty generating easy scoring chances. Most Bulls fans are used to watching in horror as Carlos Boozer hurls the ball at the basket while the shot clock expires. Rose’s ability to keep the offensively challenged Bulls competitive with the league’s elite further elevates our perception of his greatness.
Rose doesn’t necessarily make playing basketball look easy. With every explosive drive, sharp cut, jump into traffic, or uneven landing, you can witness the toll of the game on his body. He turns basketball into an unnatural physical exertion that tests the limits of every muscle and ligament in his body. This makes his style of play admirable, but it probably isn’t sustainable. The post-injury phase of Rose’s career will hopefully see him learn to do more while exerting less, particularly in regular-season games. Becoming an NBA veteran is a process of rationing energy, preparing to empty the tank in the playoffs.
The start of the Bulls' season will feel like a honeymoon, but eventually the same questions about the construction of their team will present themselves. The Bulls and their star point guard still have the same interconnected flaws. Do the Bulls depend on Rose’s ability to perform the impossible, or is it Rose who subconsciously wants to take down every team’s Big Three by himself? Eventually, coach Tom Thibodeau shouldn’t have to make more with less.
Last season, Rose’s brother and manager, Reggie, made headlines when he said the Bulls hadn’t made enough significant personnel moves to motivate his brother to return by season’s end. Without the realistic opportunity to win a championship, there wasn’t an incentive for Derrick Rose to return to the lineup. Even if Rose returned, he probably wouldn’t be physically prepared to take on the superhuman workload that was required to shoulder the offensive responsibilities of the team. Reggie Rose was stating the obvious, but it was also a good move for the Bulls not to take on any additional payroll for a throwaway season.
It was difficult to watch the chatter about Derrick Rose’s return marginalized into an NBA narrative during last season’s playoffs. Despite being a predictable talking point for Chicago media, Rose never seems to want attention for anything that isn’t a byproduct of winning. Everyone turned into an armchair surgeon, declaring how long it should take a professional athlete to recover from ACL surgery, with Adrian Peterson as the new benchmark. It was all really indicative of how badly we wanted Rose back. His presence in the Eastern Conference gave us reason to believe that the conference didn’t belong to LeBron.
Rose and the Bulls are still figuring out how to maintain the core of their team, while significantly upgrading their offensive weaponry. The Bulls are still considered incomplete by some. Even if Rose got a high-quality complementary scoring threat, would he even know how to depend on the relief? Thibodeau has apparently implemented more Spurs-like offensive sets this season, promoting creativity, ball movement, and the facilitation of open shots. It is too early to tell if the Bulls have the players to make this offense a reality, or if it will eventually just return to the “Please bail us out, Derrick” offense.
There are rumors Rose has added a 3-pointer to his game during his rehabilitation. If his revamped stroke manifests itself during games, it means defenders will have to honor him as a 3-point shooter. Instead of watching defenders sag into the lane to throw another body in the way of Rose’s impending drive, he will see more lanes for shooting, passing, and attacking the basket. It's just one more step to becoming unguardable.
In just more than a season, Rose has had a long time to watch the NBA evolve without him. These days, we can’t imagine anyone but LeBron James or Kevin Durant winning the league’s Most Valuable Player award. Chris Paul is regarded as the league’s top point guard. Players like Stephen Curry, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard have all made well-publicized “leaps” — but none are on Rose’s level. The Miami Heat are somehow perceived as more invincible than ever. But he doesn't embrace these figures. He has no friends and no enemies. Just targets. Derrick Rose was missed because he embraces his role as a rival to destroy everything we feel comfortable believing about the state of the NBA.
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Damn shame the Thunder are so cheap. We should have 3 of the top 5 players in the game on our roster.
Instead management would rather count pennies rather than pay a little extra for what was likely to be the league's next great dynasty.
Any owner should be happy to pay the cap penalty if you're getting a couple of titles in exchange.
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He's implying that they play with the buggest chip on their shoulder and that they don't cower from competition, especially when they run into Lebron and co.
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Yeah, that James Harden trade makes no sense in retrospect.
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Post stuff about your own team. I'm a Bulls fan, why should I come in here and post stuff about the Sixers?
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I'm gearing up for a historically bad season. I don't see how the Sixers will get to 15 wins this year. Give me a break for being a bit agitated.
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Yeah, but if you have a plan, and the Sixers do, that's a reason to be excited. The games themselves will all be losses, but you are just evaluating for next year.
It'd be worse to be a team like the Raptors or Kings, it's like.... what do we have to look forward to? Nothing.
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There's always Wiggins in in 2014. There's your motivation to get through the season.