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It's possible that the contact also could cause a driver to be launched forward and affect the pressure on the accelerator. It's just speculation on my part.
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I've been inside one of these sprint cars before, and your vision is extremely limited. You can see directly in front of you, but can't see shit out the side.
Imo, Stewart didn't see the guy on the track until the last possible second. And considering it was dark out and the guy was wearing a black suit/helmet, certainly doesn't help. On top of that, these types of cars are made to drift on a dirt track. The accelerator actually helps to steer the car. I think he didn't see him until he was almost on top of him, then tried to steer left and away, and accelerated. Which unfortunately, caused the car to fishtail out to the right where the impact was made. Even the blue and white car swerved at the last second to avoid him. That car also might have played a part in Stewart not seeing Ward coming down the track.
I don't think he purposely did anything to where he should be held responsible for this accident. Very, very stupid of Ward to get out of his car and walk down to the center of the track.
Imo, Stewart didn't see the guy on the track until the last possible second. And considering it was dark out and the guy was wearing a black suit/helmet, certainly doesn't help. On top of that, these types of cars are made to drift on a dirt track. The accelerator actually helps to steer the car. I think he didn't see him until he was almost on top of him, then tried to steer left and away, and accelerated. Which unfortunately, caused the car to fishtail out to the right where the impact was made. Even the blue and white car swerved at the last second to avoid him. That car also might have played a part in Stewart not seeing Ward coming down the track.
I don't think he purposely did anything to where he should be held responsible for this accident. Very, very stupid of Ward to get out of his car and walk down to the center of the track.
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Uhhh, in these professional races they have spotters speaking into their ear the whole time. If you think someone wasn't telling Tony he's on the track coming for him you're crazy.
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I do think it was an accident, but Stewart did seem to be going faster than the other drivers are the time and the swerve was pretty odd. Stewart has a history as well...he did the same thing Ward did and actually threw his helmet at Matt Kenseth.
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Did I say he didn't know he was out of the car or on the track? No? Ok.
I said he probably didn't see exactly where he was when he came back around that corner.
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A NASCAR writer for USA Today said they don't have spotters or radios on those dirt track circuits.
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Yeah it appears Stewart is driving faster than others but do you really want to make a leap of faith where you're linking his car's speed to his intentions. If he'd have hit the guy head on then maybe I'd buy into the idea that he was trying to hit the guy.
I think it's all speculation at this point.
Obviously I'm no expert but just watching the video and listening to members of NASCAR media and a crew chief who was at the track, I'm leaning towards this being an unfortunate accident caused by the stupidity of Ward.
Given Stewart's temperament I do think it's possible that maybe he tried to scare the kid and the vehicle got away from him, but again, that's pure speculation. Only Tony Stewart knows what was going through his mind.
I think it's all speculation at this point.
Obviously I'm no expert but just watching the video and listening to members of NASCAR media and a crew chief who was at the track, I'm leaning towards this being an unfortunate accident caused by the stupidity of Ward.
Given Stewart's temperament I do think it's possible that maybe he tried to scare the kid and the vehicle got away from him, but again, that's pure speculation. Only Tony Stewart knows what was going through his mind.
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Maybe they don't, but I doubt it. The visibility is shit and people would be sideswiping people all the time.
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I don't think there should be any charges brought against him, but it is just fishy to me. Guys with tempers like that sometimes just don't think clearly in a stressful situation like that. I'll put it this way...if he was cool headed at the time, I don't think he hits the guy.
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Investigators collected ZERO video from Tony Stewart and Kevin Ward Jr.'s race teams after Saturday night's tragedy because the Sheriff says it does not exist -- which TMZ Sports has learned is a little strange.
Ontario County Sheriff Philip Povero tells TMZ Sports they checked Stewart's #14 sprint car -- and Ward's #13 -- to see if there was mini-cam footage of the moment the NASCAR superstar barreled into Ward ... but came up with zilch.
It's odd because we're told -- by multiple sources in the racing world -- Stewart commonly has a mini-camera of some sort mounted on his cars when he races on smaller dirt tracks like Canandaigua. We've made multiple calls to Stewart's racing teams, but have not heard back.
The sheriff also told us there were no recordings of communication between Stewart and his pit crew -- though our sources say that's standard ops for a small race not airing on TV.
That lack of evidence perhaps explains why the sheriff has made several pleas to the public for any footage of the incident. It's simply not clear from the YouTube footage already out there if Stewart was reckless.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/10/tony-stewart-kevin-ward-jr-no-video-cam-footage-race-cars-investigation/#ixzz3A6ZiYspw
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The quote by the writer about sources of information is very carefully guarded to imply rather than actually make a statement. "It's odd because we're told -- by multiple sources in the racing world -- " Surely the could name someone to give some credence to the implication. The correct approach would have been to see if there was a source to reveal a camera in this race.
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CANANDAIGUA, N.Y. -- Prosecutors announced Wednesday that a grand jury had decided against bringing criminal charges against three-time NASCAR champion Tony Stewart in the August death of a driver at a sprint car race in upstate New York.
Ontario County District Attorney Michael Tantillo said the victim, Kevin Ward Jr., was under the influence of marijuana the night of the accident "enough to impair judgment." Tantillo said two videos examined by investigators showed "no aberrational driving by Tony Stewart."
The decision came nearly seven weeks after Stewart's car struck and killed Ward during a dirt track race Aug. 9.
Stewart, the brash and popular NASCAR driver known as "Smoke," spent three weeks in seclusion following what he called a tragic accident before quietly returning to the Sprint Cup circuit. One of the biggest stars in the garage, Stewart has 48 career Cup wins in 546 starts but is winless this year and did not make the championship Chase field.
"This has been the toughest and most emotional experience of my life, and it will stay with me forever," Stewart said in a prepared statement. "While much of the attention has been on me, it's important to remember a young man lost his life. Kevin Ward Jr.'s family and friends will always be in my thoughts and prayers."
Tantillo could have determined the case on his own but last week said he would take it to a grand jury. Experts said it would have been difficult to prove criminal intent, but the prosecutor asked the grand jury to consider charges of second-degree manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide.
"There were not 12 votes to either charge," he said.
"There are no winners in tragedy. Our thoughts and prayers remain with the Kevin Ward Jr. family and Tony Stewart as they all cope with this tragic incident at Canandaigua Motorsports Park," NASCAR said in a statement. "This has been a difficult time for everyone involved and we have respected the local authorities responsible for reviewing this case."
Sheriff Philip Povero spent weeks investigating, several times saying investigators did not have evidence to suggest Stewart meant to harm the other driver at the track in tiny Canandaigua. Ward had spun while racing alongside Stewart, and then the 20-year-old climbed out of his car and walked down the track, waving his arms in an apparent attempt to confront the 43-year-old NASCAR veteran.
Authorities said the first car to pass Ward had to swerve to miss hitting him. The front of Stewart's car appeared to clear Ward, but Ward was struck by the right rear tire and hurtled through the air. He died of blunt force trauma. His father later told a newspaper there was "no reason" for the death given Stewart's skills and experience.
Ward's family, in a statement to ESPN later on Wednesday, said: "Our son got out of his car during caution, while the race was suspended. All other vehicles were reducing speed and not accelerating except for Tony Stewart , who intentionally tried to intimidate Kevin by accelerating and sliding his car towards him, causing this tragedy," the statement read.
"The focus should be on the actions of Tony Stewart and not Kevin. The matter is not at rest and we will pursue all remedies, in fairness to Kevin."
The sheriff asked in the days after Ward's death for spectators to turn over photos and videos of the crash as investigators worked to reconstruct the accident. Among the things being looked at were the dim lighting, how muddy it was and whether Ward's dark firesuit played a role in his death, given the conditions.
A fan's video was widely circulated after Ward's death, but details of the second video obtained by the sheriff have not been made public.
Stewart, who Povero described as "visibly shaken" after Ward's death, vowed to cooperate in the investigation but did not testify before the grand jury. He issued a brief statement expressing deep sadness and then dropped off the radar, missing races at Watkins Glen, Michigan and Bristol before coming back for the Aug. 31 race at Atlanta.
Looking far different from the fiery driver his fans love, Stewart quietly read a statement at a news conference in which he said the death of a driver he hit was "one of the toughest tragedies I've ever had to deal with."
"This is something that will definitely affect my life forever," Stewart said then. "This is a sadness and a pain I hope no one has to experience in their life. That being said, I know that the pain and mourning that Kevin Ward's family and friends are experiencing is something that I can't possibly imagine."
Stewart's peers were protective of him as questions emerged in the aftermath of the crash, and it pained them that Stewart was grieving in private and had cut off communication with so many of them. They welcomed him back in Atlanta, and fans gave him a robust cheer too. Two days later during the race, his No. 14 Chevrolet slammed into the wall twice and Stewart settled for a dismal 41st-place finish.
After Ward's death, NASCAR announced a rule that prohibits drivers from climbing out of a crashed or disabled vehicle -- unless it is on fire -- until safety personnel arrive. The series also cleared the way for Stewart to make its Chase for the Sprint Cup championship with a win, despite missing the three races.
Stewart, who is from Columbus, Indiana, has long been one of the most proficient drivers in racing, winning in every kind of series, from sprint cars to the elite Sprint Cup Series. He has for years taken part in little races in nondescript towns because he loves the thrill of the high horsepower, lightweight cars skidding around the dirt.
He rarely made his schedule public, popping up when he pleased, and he was welcome at the clay track at Canandaigua Motorsports Park the night before the NASCAR race in nearby Watkins Glen.
There have been few criminal prosecutions stemming from incidents that occur during competition.
There have been two cases in the past 14 years in which NHL players were charged for their actions on the ice. Marty McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon for hitting Donald Brashear with a stick during a 2000 game, and Todd Bertuzzi pleaded guilty to assault causing bodily harm for punching Colorado's Steve Moore in 2004.
But it's extremely rare for incidents during auto races to bring police scrutiny, and Povero emphasized that this was an "on-track crash investigation."
Research by The Associated Press dating to 2003 turned up no cases in which a driver was charged for his role in an on-track incident. Team owner James Sink was found guilty of misdemeanor assault of driver Maynard Peters after a bloody 2005 postrace fight in North Carolina. In 2003, NASCAR driver Jimmy Spencer was under investigation for assault after punching Kurt Busch in the face following a race at Michigan, but Busch asked for his complaint to be dropped.
Legal experts believe the case against Stewart would have been difficult to prove.
"Death happens in a very dangerous sport, and this was driver vs. driver and Ward stepped on the track," said David Weinstein, a former state and federal prosecutor in Miami who is now in private practice. "The only person who really knows what happened is Tony Stewart, and it's impossible for a prosecutor to get inside his head."
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Wow...so the guy was impaired out on the racetrack now. Generally weed makes you a little more docile though.
Ontario County District Attorney Michael Tantillo said the victim, Kevin Ward Jr., was under the influence of marijuana the night of the accident "enough to impair judgment." Tantillo said two videos examined by investigators showed "no aberrational driving by Tony Stewart."
The decision came nearly seven weeks after Stewart's car struck and killed Ward during a dirt track race Aug. 9.
Stewart, the brash and popular NASCAR driver known as "Smoke," spent three weeks in seclusion following what he called a tragic accident before quietly returning to the Sprint Cup circuit. One of the biggest stars in the garage, Stewart has 48 career Cup wins in 546 starts but is winless this year and did not make the championship Chase field.
"This has been the toughest and most emotional experience of my life, and it will stay with me forever," Stewart said in a prepared statement. "While much of the attention has been on me, it's important to remember a young man lost his life. Kevin Ward Jr.'s family and friends will always be in my thoughts and prayers."
Tantillo could have determined the case on his own but last week said he would take it to a grand jury. Experts said it would have been difficult to prove criminal intent, but the prosecutor asked the grand jury to consider charges of second-degree manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide.
"There were not 12 votes to either charge," he said.
"There are no winners in tragedy. Our thoughts and prayers remain with the Kevin Ward Jr. family and Tony Stewart as they all cope with this tragic incident at Canandaigua Motorsports Park," NASCAR said in a statement. "This has been a difficult time for everyone involved and we have respected the local authorities responsible for reviewing this case."
Sheriff Philip Povero spent weeks investigating, several times saying investigators did not have evidence to suggest Stewart meant to harm the other driver at the track in tiny Canandaigua. Ward had spun while racing alongside Stewart, and then the 20-year-old climbed out of his car and walked down the track, waving his arms in an apparent attempt to confront the 43-year-old NASCAR veteran.
Authorities said the first car to pass Ward had to swerve to miss hitting him. The front of Stewart's car appeared to clear Ward, but Ward was struck by the right rear tire and hurtled through the air. He died of blunt force trauma. His father later told a newspaper there was "no reason" for the death given Stewart's skills and experience.
Ward's family, in a statement to ESPN later on Wednesday, said: "Our son got out of his car during caution, while the race was suspended. All other vehicles were reducing speed and not accelerating except for Tony Stewart , who intentionally tried to intimidate Kevin by accelerating and sliding his car towards him, causing this tragedy," the statement read.
"The focus should be on the actions of Tony Stewart and not Kevin. The matter is not at rest and we will pursue all remedies, in fairness to Kevin."
The sheriff asked in the days after Ward's death for spectators to turn over photos and videos of the crash as investigators worked to reconstruct the accident. Among the things being looked at were the dim lighting, how muddy it was and whether Ward's dark firesuit played a role in his death, given the conditions.
A fan's video was widely circulated after Ward's death, but details of the second video obtained by the sheriff have not been made public.
Stewart, who Povero described as "visibly shaken" after Ward's death, vowed to cooperate in the investigation but did not testify before the grand jury. He issued a brief statement expressing deep sadness and then dropped off the radar, missing races at Watkins Glen, Michigan and Bristol before coming back for the Aug. 31 race at Atlanta.
Looking far different from the fiery driver his fans love, Stewart quietly read a statement at a news conference in which he said the death of a driver he hit was "one of the toughest tragedies I've ever had to deal with."
"This is something that will definitely affect my life forever," Stewart said then. "This is a sadness and a pain I hope no one has to experience in their life. That being said, I know that the pain and mourning that Kevin Ward's family and friends are experiencing is something that I can't possibly imagine."
Stewart's peers were protective of him as questions emerged in the aftermath of the crash, and it pained them that Stewart was grieving in private and had cut off communication with so many of them. They welcomed him back in Atlanta, and fans gave him a robust cheer too. Two days later during the race, his No. 14 Chevrolet slammed into the wall twice and Stewart settled for a dismal 41st-place finish.
After Ward's death, NASCAR announced a rule that prohibits drivers from climbing out of a crashed or disabled vehicle -- unless it is on fire -- until safety personnel arrive. The series also cleared the way for Stewart to make its Chase for the Sprint Cup championship with a win, despite missing the three races.
Stewart, who is from Columbus, Indiana, has long been one of the most proficient drivers in racing, winning in every kind of series, from sprint cars to the elite Sprint Cup Series. He has for years taken part in little races in nondescript towns because he loves the thrill of the high horsepower, lightweight cars skidding around the dirt.
He rarely made his schedule public, popping up when he pleased, and he was welcome at the clay track at Canandaigua Motorsports Park the night before the NASCAR race in nearby Watkins Glen.
There have been few criminal prosecutions stemming from incidents that occur during competition.
There have been two cases in the past 14 years in which NHL players were charged for their actions on the ice. Marty McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon for hitting Donald Brashear with a stick during a 2000 game, and Todd Bertuzzi pleaded guilty to assault causing bodily harm for punching Colorado's Steve Moore in 2004.
But it's extremely rare for incidents during auto races to bring police scrutiny, and Povero emphasized that this was an "on-track crash investigation."
Research by The Associated Press dating to 2003 turned up no cases in which a driver was charged for his role in an on-track incident. Team owner James Sink was found guilty of misdemeanor assault of driver Maynard Peters after a bloody 2005 postrace fight in North Carolina. In 2003, NASCAR driver Jimmy Spencer was under investigation for assault after punching Kurt Busch in the face following a race at Michigan, but Busch asked for his complaint to be dropped.
Legal experts believe the case against Stewart would have been difficult to prove.
"Death happens in a very dangerous sport, and this was driver vs. driver and Ward stepped on the track," said David Weinstein, a former state and federal prosecutor in Miami who is now in private practice. "The only person who really knows what happened is Tony Stewart, and it's impossible for a prosecutor to get inside his head."
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Wow...so the guy was impaired out on the racetrack now. Generally weed makes you a little more docile though.