JJT: Josh Brent's talent is trump card

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Josh Brent's talent is trump card

Like it or not, Jerry Jones is keeping DL because he thinks he can help Cowboys


Updated: July 16, 2013, 2:58 AM ET
By Jean-Jacques Taylor | ESPNDallas.com
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IRVING, Texas -- This one isn't hard to figure out. Not if you think about it for more than a minute.

Why does defensive tackle Josh Brent still occupy a spot on the Dallas Cowboys' roster?

Jerry Jones thinks he can be a quality football player in 2014 if he's not in jail for intoxication manslaughter for the one-car accident in December that claimed the life of Brent's best friend and teammate, Jerry Brown.

See? It wasn't so complicated.

Talent trumps just about everything in today's NFL.

This isn't so much about a commitment Jerry made to Brown's mom to keep Brent close to the franchise as it is his football potential. It doesn't matter if you think Brent is just a guy. Or slightly better. It doesn't matter if you think he can't play at all. What matters is Jerry thinks he can help.

Ask around the club's Valley Ranch training complex about why Brent remains on the roster and folks either aren't sure or they say you'll have to ask the team's owner. Jason Garrett's name rarely comes up in these conversations because Jones holds the ultimate trump card as owner and GM.

The bottom line is if Jones believes a player can help the Cowboys win, he's going to provide opportunity after opportunity after opportunity.

Under Jones, the Cowboys have given second and third and fourth chances to all types of players, fromAlonzo Spellman to Demetrius Underwood to Leo Carson to Michael Irvin to Leon Lett to Pacman Jones.

Only Irvin was a star.

This is a franchise mired in the muck of mediocrity. It has missed the playoffs four of the past five seasons and has one lonely playoff win since 1996. It's not good enough to pass up players who might be able to help. In some ways that's sad.

The NFL will rule on Brent's status this week and he'll probably be suspended for 4-6 games, though no one should be shocked if he gets a year. If a plea agreement isn't reached in his case, the trial is scheduled to begin Sept. 23. If he's not convicted, there's no reason to believe Brent won't go through the Cowboys' offseason program and be ready to compete for a starting job in 2014.

And if Brent is convicted, there have been numerous instances in which an offender received probation, which didn't require more than the 120 days of mandatory jail time that accompanies a conviction.

The point is that there's no guarantee, right now, that Brent's career in Dallas is over -- and that's why he's remained on the roster. All that means is there's a sliver of possibility Brent could eventually help the Cowboys.

The worst-case scenario for Brent is a year suspension, because that would mean he would be unable to participate in the offseason program or minicamps next offseason. It would mean he'd be eligible to rejoin the team the week before training camp after about 18 months without practicing. The odds of him contributing in 2015 under that scenario are slim, though he'd be only 27.

Just so you know, if Brent gets suspended for a year then he doesn't gain an accrued season and the Cowboys would still have his rights for another season before he became a restricted free agent. That said, do you really think Brent would leave the franchise that stuck with him through all of this? Nope.

The defensive line -- no matter what the Cowboys' front office says -- is not a strength.DeMarcus Ware turns 31 in two weeks. Anthony Spencer and Jason Hatcher will be free agents at the end of the season, and Jay Ratliff is coming off an injury-plagued season. The Cowboys need all the good young defensive linemen they can get.

Brent can be a good player, and that's the primary reason he's still with the franchise. After all, he's counting only $641,889 against the club's salary cap.

The quandary for the Cowboys is how to retain his rights without having to use one of their 90 roster spots for training camp.
Expect the NFL to solve their problem soon.
 

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Garrett constantly preaches about wanting "the right kind of guy" on his team. Yeah, too bad he gets trumped by his idiot owner/GM.
 

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It is ridiculous. It is not like he is the next Warren Sapp or something...he was a decent player, but we are holding onto him like he is special. He is only special because we have a collection of turds at DT.
 

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I must have missed Brent's emergence as an All Pro prior to his arrest.
 

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so super-talented Antonio Bryant was exiled why, exactly? certainly killing a guy and smoking dope is worse than throwing a towel.
 

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As if this couldn't look anymore pathetic, the Broncos fined and suspended two execs for driving drunk, and no one lost their life in either incident.

Yet in Dallas, neither Brent or Ratliff received so much as a slap on the wrist from the team.
 

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so super-talented Antonio Bryant was exiled why, exactly? certainly killing a guy and smoking dope is worse than throwing a towel.
Have you lost your mind? He threw it in the face of Bill Parcells...punishable by death.
 

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As if this couldn't look anymore pathetic, the Broncos fined and suspended two execs for driving drunk, and no one lost their life in either incident.

Yet in Dallas, neither Brent or Ratliff received so much as a slap on the wrist from the team.
Executive behavior means jack shat. There's no cap or even serious ramifications for outright firing them.

Regarding an actual player, Quentin Saulsberry...

"We have been aware of Quentin Saulsberry's arrest and will continue to monitor the legal developments related to this matter, which is subject to review under the NFL's policies," Broncos spokesman Patrick Smyth told the Post on Monday." Translation, they aren't doing squat unless the NFL makes them.

It took D.J Williams two DUI's to get "punished" by the team-- and even then they just fined him, demoted him from Defensive Co-Captain, and didn't start him against the powerhouse Kansas City Chiefs in a week 10 game. Oooooh. It took a failed drug test before anything real happened to this guy, and then it was the NFL that suspended him. The NFL then suspended him another three games. Ryan McBean got suspended at the same time and again by the NFL, not the Broncos.

NFL teams will go out of their way to not punish players that DUI or fail drug tests.
 

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Executive behavior means jack shat. There's no cap or even serious ramifications for outright firing them.

Regarding an actual player, Quentin Saulsberry...

"We have been aware of Quentin Saulsberry's arrest and will continue to monitor the legal developments related to this matter, which is subject to review under the NFL's policies," Broncos spokesman Patrick Smyth told the Post on Monday." Translation, they aren't doing squat unless the NFL makes them.

It took D.J Williams two DUI's to get "punished" by the team-- and even then they just fined him, demoted him from Defensive Co-Captain, and didn't start him against the powerhouse Kansas City Chiefs in a week 10 game. Oooooh. It took a failed drug test before anything real happened to this guy, and then it was the NFL that suspended him. The NFL then suspended him another three games. Ryan McBean got suspended at the same time and again by the NFL, not the Broncos.

NFL teams will go out of their way to not punish players that DUI or fail drug tests.
Oh Snap!
 

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There is no Oh Snap to that. There is a massive difference between driving drunk and killing someone because of it.

You can't compare the two.
 

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There is no Oh Snap to that. There is a massive difference between driving drunk and killing someone because of it.

You can't compare the two.
Yeah just completely ignore the fact that it totally discredits the original post freaking out because the Bronco's are punishing their execs for getting DWI's and Ratliff receives nothing...
 

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Yeah just completely ignore the fact that it totally discredits the original post freaking out because the Bronco's are punishing their execs for getting DWI's and Ratliff receives nothing...
Did one of them drive drunk right after the other one killed someone doing the same thing?

Exactly.
 

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Did one of them drive drunk right after the other one killed someone doing the same thing?

Exactly.
Yeah, but the Broncos don't have any players who drove drunk right after another one killed someone. It's comparing apples to oranges.

If you are saying that Ratliff should be made an example out of because he did something stupid right after Brent did, fine, but then don't hold up the Broncos as an example of a team that did it the "right" way. They didn't cut their DUI players. If your counter to C-rock is "but none of their DUIs happened right after another teammate killed someone" -- then the Broncos example is not very accurate for either party to use.
 

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Yeah, but the Broncos don't have any players who drove drunk right after another one killed someone. It's comparing apples to oranges.

If you are saying that Ratliff should be made an example out of because he did something stupid right after Brent did, fine, but then don't hold up the Broncos as an example of a team that did it the "right" way. They didn't cut their DUI players. If your counter to C-rock is "but none of their DUIs happened right after another teammate killed someone" -- then the Broncos example is not very accurate for either party to use.
I never compared the two.

Matter of fact in two posts above I said you can't compare the two.

But, by saying that, it also stands to reason that us not punishing Brent or Ratliff is much worse than them not punishing their people.
 

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Some in Dallas baffled that Josh Brent is still a Cowboy

Posted by Michael David Smith on July 16, 2013, 7:29 PM EDT


Josh Brent, the Cowboys defensive tackle who was charged with intoxication manslaughter in the crash that killed his teammate Jerry Brown, remains a member of the team. And not everyone in Dallas can understand the Cowboys’ thinking on that.

According to Ed Werder of ESPN, the decision of the Cowboys to keep Brent around all these months after he allegedly drove drunk and killed another Cowboy is confusing to some within the organization.

“There are still a lot of people at Valley Ranch who are baffled about the fact that this player remains on the roster,” Werder said on NFL Live.

The NFL is expected to rule on Brent’s status any day now, and it wouldn’t be surprising if the NFL suspended Brent indefinitely and considered reinstating him only after his legal issues are over. Brent is currently scheduled to go on trial in September.

But whenever Brent’s legal issues are over, it appears that he’ll still be a Cowboy. And ultimately, that means Cowboys owner and General Manager Jerry Jones still believes that Brent can help the team win some day, even if that day probably won’t be until 2014 at the earliest.
 

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Yeah, but the Broncos don't have any players who drove drunk right after another one killed someone. It's comparing apples to oranges.

If you are saying that Ratliff should be made an example out of because he did something stupid right after Brent did, fine, but then don't hold up the Broncos as an example of a team that did it the "right" way. They didn't cut their DUI players. If your counter to C-rock is "but none of their DUIs happened right after another teammate killed someone" -- then the Broncos example is not very accurate for either party to use.
Exactly, which is why my comment was appropriate. Thank you for explaining this to the simple minded :art
 

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Exactly, which is why my comment was appropriate. Thank you for explaining this to the simple minded :art
You can't compare DUI's to killing someone. They didn't fire someone that only had a DUI but we won't fire someone that killed someone and then someone that subsequently copied the same behavior like 2 months later.

Thank you for trying to explain it to my simple mind, though.
 

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You can't compare DUI's to killing someone. They didn't fire someone that only had a DUI but we won't fire someone that killed someone and then someone that subsequently copied the same behavior like 2 months later.

Thank you for trying to explain it to my simple mind, though.
That's probably why I didn't make that comparison and neither did Ravid. You're welcome!
 

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That's probably why I didn't make that comparison and neither did Ravid. You're welcome!
Yes he did, and he named more than one comparison. And your Oh Snap response meant you agreed with him.

And, you both are wrong.
 
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