Jerry accidently does something right!

[chevycowboys]

It’s time to admit it!

Greenbay got fleeced.

Pittsburgh got fleeced.



[facts verifiable through espn.com]

[Not counting week 5]



Notable Dallas players outperforming Micah:

Kenny Clark, James Houston, Kenneth Murray Jr. , Jack Sanborn, Reddy Steward, Marshawn Kneeland, Solomon Thomas, Osa Odighizuwa.



Greenbay backfield:

11 sacks, 63 sack yards, 18 tackles for a loss.


Dallas backfield:

10 sacks, 97 sack yards, 24 tackles for a loss.


Micah is not “creating more opportunities for the other guys”


George Pickens is #1 in receiving yards for Dallas - 21 catches, 300 yards, 4 TD



Pittsburgh top receivers:

#1) DK Metcalf - 15 catches, 261 yards, 3 TD.

#2) Jaylen Warren - 11 catches, 142 yards, 1 TD.



Aaron Rodgers - 786 passing yards

Dak Prescott - 1,119 passing yards



George Pickens to Dallas for a 3rd round pick is an EXTREMELY stronger move, than Greenbay taking on the highest paid non-QB for two first rounds plus Kenny Clark!

 

[Sheik]

Fuck that.

 

[Cujo]

Still kind of early to grade the trade, IMO, but the results are looking better than I thought they would. Having said that, fuck Jerry Jones.

 

[data]

CASE CLOSED!!!

 

[Simpleton]

I wouldn't say either GB or Pittsburgh got fleeced for a few reasons, but I think ultimately both trades are going to be better for us in the long run.

Pickens is obvious, he's a Pro Bowl talent at 24 an getting him for a 3 is a coup. I think the current environment here just brings out the best in him and we got kind of lucky to fall into a move like that, simply because it was never going to work in Pittsburgh for him.

Parsons is of course more difficult to judge but I wouldn't trade Clark and the two 1's back to GB for him (and his contract) even if I could. The only way I'd do it is to try to flip him somewhere else for even more in a trade but that's obviously not a real thing.

 

[1bigfan13]

Pickens is obvious, he's a Pro Bowl talent at 24 an getting him for a 3 is a coup. I think the current environment here just brings out the best in him and we got kind of lucky to fall into a move like that, simply because it was never going to work in Pittsburgh for him.

He can be immature but most of the issues Steelers fans had with him were rooted in the Steelers inconsistent QB play post-Roethlisberger.

I doubt we see those issues in Dallas since we have one of the better QBs in the league.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I wouldn't say either GB or Pittsburgh got fleeced for a few reasons, but I think ultimately both trades are going to be better for us in the long run.

Pickens is obvious, he's a Pro Bowl talent at 24 an getting him for a 3 is a coup. I think the current environment here just brings out the best in him and we got kind of lucky to fall into a move like that, simply because it was never going to work in Pittsburgh for him.

Parsons is of course more difficult to judge but I wouldn't trade Clark and the two 1's back to GB for him (and his contract) even if I could. The only way I'd do it is to try to flip him somewhere else for even more in a trade but that's obviously not a real thing.

I think both trades ultimately were good trades for the Cowboys. The Parsons one is good if you look at it from a long term perspective. On the flip side that doesn't make it a terrible trade for the Steelers or Packers. Ultimately Pickens had worn out his welcome in Pittsburg. I doubt he would be playing like he is here if he was still with the Steelers. Things had just turned sour.

And the Packers are in win now mode. If Parsons helps them win a Superbowl, then its a great trade for them. If he doesn't the loss of picks, cap room and good DT will ultimately be what cost them over the next few years. You can't rank it based on stats 4 games into a season where he had no camp.

Trades can be good for both teams in a trade.

 

[Simpleton]

He can be immature but most of the issues Steelers fans had with him were rooted in the Steelers inconsistent QB play post-Roethlisberger.

I doubt we see those issues in Dallas since we have one of the better QBs in the league.

Yea I think between that, having one of the few WR's in the league who is clearly better than him, as well as a general atmosphere that is more pro-offense and offensive stars (compared to Pittsburgh which likes to romanticize defense), this is just a really good atmosphere for him.

I still think if things go sideways he could blow up at any moment, but the talent is undeniable and as long as it's going good it's awesome to watch.

 

[Simpleton]

I think both trades ultimately were good trades for the Cowboys. The Parsons one is good if you look at it from a long term perspective. On the flip side that doesn't make it a terrible trade for the Steelers or Packers. Ultimately Pickens had worn out his welcome in Pittsburg. I doubt he would be playing like he is here if he was still with the Steelers. Things had just turned sour.

And the Packers are in win now mode. If Parsons helps them win a Superbowl, then its a great trade for them. If he doesn't the loss of picks, cap room and good DT will ultimately be what cost them over the next few years. You can't rank it based on stats 4 games into a season where he had no camp.

Trades can be good for both teams in a trade.

The opportunity cost in terms of Parsons and the cap for this team is real too.

It is mostly BS but there is a limit and you can't have the highest paid QB (and player), a top 3 paid WR and the highest paid defensive player in the league, and still keep all of Bland, Pickens, Tyler Smith (now highest paid OG), Aubrey, Javonte and so forth.

I think they could've pulled some cap gymnastics and kept several of them if they wanted to, but you can't just have the highest paid offensive and defensive player, a top 3 paid WR, top paid OG, and keep all of your "middle class" type FA's.

 

[ravidubey]

Basically, the players worth paying 5-8 player money are few and far between.

Your legit good QB, and then on a case by case and not even a positional basis. Maybe pro bowl-caliber LTs or true #1 WR’s in their prime. These guys make everyone else better and help you attack the other team through mismatches— and that’s what it’s all about.

If you break the bank for a WR that wins statistically but can’t win regular double teams or is not otherwise a mismatch, then you’ve failed at the GMing business. You only break the bank for players you can’t win without.

Zeke’s last big contract, case in point. Fail! You’ve already got the best you’ll ever get from Zeke at that point, why suddenly pay him for past performances and raise expectations to a level he can no longer possibly meet? Even then the drop off from Zeke to other good RB’s was not high enough to justify playing out nigh-QB money.

And Micah just isn’t that guy. Defensively it’s hard to find examples of worthy players, because defense has become so reactive and such a team product overall. Peak Troy Polomalu, Mean Joe, Randy White, JJ Watt, Donald, prime Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, or Reggie White and Deion Sanders at any point (well pre-32 year old Deion).

Even these guys outside of Reggie, Greene, Randy, or Deion found themselves on teams built to make them succeed, and there would be no guarantee even they could succeed on new teams.

I’d pay Aaron Donald or JJWatt, because they didn’t rely on anyone else to make them good and created mismatches just by being on the field.

Micah’s 240-pound “generational” ass certainly doesn’t make enough plays to justify it, and he usually peters out by December to boot. He also loses the size matchup as a 4-3 DE. It’s just too easy to either run away from him or double team him on those plays where you are playing to his strength. On running plays, you can dominate him straight up most times. He doesn’t cover, and has zero career interceptions (even Reggie had 3). MAYBE if you had Quinn basing the whole attack around him…

If Green Bay pays out even one big WR contract, they’ll be in the same situation Dallas almost found themselves in— nearly half of their cap devoted to three players.