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Since when is Baylor considered small school? I think Ravi is confused on who Williams is.
It's funny because Spagnola pulled out the "if he's so good why did 22 other teams pass on him?" when Broaddus was criticizing the Cowboys for not staying put and taking Floyd at #18 when they had him inside the top 10 on their board. Didn't say a damn word about "if Terence Williams is so good why was he available at #74?" though. Just praised Dallas for getting a steal on a guy they had rated much higher than where they drafted him. Typical company man.If TWill is so good, why was he available in the third?
You're right, I should edit, I had the DB's on my mind and roped Williams in that grouping because he also has inflated numbers. In Williams' case they come from having been in a spread offense not from being at a small (i.e. non div 1) school.Since when is Baylor considered small school? I think Ravi is confused on who Williams is.
Ravi: Some of your post is conjecture and opinion just as my position is . Obviously we will have to wait and see in a year or two as to how it all sifts out but that is true of every organization in the league.Knocks
- Floyd was a top ten pick at a position of need, great both now and in the future. Jones had the gall to say he wasn't "quick twitch" enough and didn't fit in the Cowboys' 4-3 system. Are you kidding me? Why then he was he in the top ten on their board?
- Dallas got jobbed in the trade down with SF.
- Frederick could have been had in the second round.
- Escobar is a niche player, not a starter on this team. He also could have gone later
- Williams is a fine pick, but what about Keenan Allen, Stedman Bailey, or Markus Wheaton? A spread offense can alter numbers, and that seems to have swayed Jerry because he was considering Williams as early as the 1st round.
- Wilcox has played safety just one year.
- Wilcox and Webb as small school players were each taken earlier and in combination increase the risk of an outright bust. The odds of two small school DB's making it are low, so one of your picks in the 3rd and 4th rounds is going to bust.
- Randle is seriously injured.
- No defensive lineman taken in a year when shifting to a DL-intensive scheme
- No serious upgrade in team speed. Escobar, Williams, and Randle are slow
Value
-Frederick + Williams > Floyd. Frederick is a day-one starter and adding a 3rd round pick is very nice.
-Escobar has great hands and should upgrade the redzone offense
-Williams was incredibly productive and despite a lot of that production being attributed to the spread offense, has moves the other WR's on this team lack.
-Holloman is a great value in the 6th
Notes
- I like Webb alot and think he has ballhawk instincts as good as any CB in the league. He's small, but he has heart.
- I am actually excited that Wilcox played so well at safety despite having limited experience. That tells me he's an instinctive football player first, and Dallas needs as many of those as they can get.
Overall
Not one pick is terrible and all should contribute. From this perspective the entire draft class may be considered helpful and is a huge step up from what we're used to from Jerry (think 2009). From the perspective of the draft in isolation Dallas did not get enough value, though frankly that's hard to do for any team without extra picks or high picks.
LT, agreed it's completely my opinion based on what I've heard and read. I'm not pessimistic, just attempting to list objective reasons why I think the draft has knocks against it and what values the Cowboys did find. IMO this looks like a draft that will produce 2 eventual starters, several productive pros for years to come, and no pro-bowlers. Nothing wrong with that at all. The make or break players are the DB's, especially Wilcox.Ravi: Some of your post is conjecture and opinion just as my position is . Obviously we will have to wait and see in a year or two as to how it all sifts out but that is true of every organization in the league.
I think everyone agrees that the first pick was a reach but none of us can say for certain that he could have been had much later only that he possibly could have. The organization traded down and I think it was the best offer they could make. The whole argument evolves with the BPA approach vs need. Apparently Dallas opted for need
. Whether they should have is argumentative.
The rest of the picks appear to be pretty reasonable in my view but as previously stated we all will have to see how it sifts out. That'' s my opinion.
GSM.
I wish someone in the DFW media had the balls to read that exact quote to him about that horrid draft.
The Escobar pick bothers me. I suppose if they valued him that high and see him as a Witten replacement in a couple years it's defensible. Seems more like stubborn Jerry to me though. Same OC, same QB, same system and they've really never had great success with a two TE set. This is with significant draft resources at the 2nd TE position. Still didn't take off. Yet Jerry wants to try it a third time. It's like he is pounding on the table and saying "I want to be like New England, damn it, so make it work!". He's trying to force it and hope he finally gets it right.The fact that we continue to prioritize the skill position players over the linemen is disheartening and deserves a grade reduction.
Took NE like 10 years and 3 drafts to get the two TE to sort of work. And they are about the only team that really has.The Escobar pick bothers me. I suppose if they valued him that high and see him as a Witten replacement in a couple years it's defensible. Seems more like stubborn Jerry to me though. Same OC, same QB, same system and they've really never had great success with a two TE set. This is with significant draft resources at the 2nd TE position. Still didn't take off. Yet Jerry wants to try it a third time. It's like he is pounding on the table and saying "I want to be like New England, damn it, so make it work!". He's trying to force it and hope he finally gets it right.
It is a lot like the 3-4. In theory it sounds great. But ultimately you have to have the right talent and coaching had better be top notch.Took NE like 10 years and 3 drafts to get the two TE to sort of work. And they are about the only team that really has.
In theory, the two TE set seems like a great thing. Tons of great arguments for it. In practice, it really isn't ever as successful as people think it will be and teams end up throwing resources after it time and time again trying to make it work.
I was really hoping for another CB with that pick.We'll get a better TE next year since we'll be drafting Top 10.
I actually do kinda believe that the 2 TE thing is a Garrett preference; though I can't be 100% certain because it started before Garrett got here with Fasano.The Escobar pick bothers me. I suppose if they valued him that high and see him as a Witten replacement in a couple years it's defensible. Seems more like stubborn Jerry to me though. Same OC, same QB, same system and they've really never had great success with a two TE set. This is with significant draft resources at the 2nd TE position. Still didn't take off. Yet Jerry wants to try it a third time. It's like he is pounding on the table and saying "I want to be like New England, damn it, so make it work!". He's trying to force it and hope he finally gets it right.
This is why I can't buy the "Garrett doesn't value OLs" argument. It's related to the "Garrett overvalues a 2nd TE" argument.
It does come down to coaching and play-calling. You can't rely on the QB to make the 2-TE offense work because he's always going to go for the open guy on any given play. But if the plays are called to feature one TE and then another it has the effect of keeping the defense off balance.It is a lot like the 3-4. In theory it sounds great. But ultimately you have to have the right talent and coaching had better be top notch.
Hence why I said "I'm sure both statements are true," Dickface.It isn't just a Jerry failing. It is Jerry failing because he's listening to Jason Garrett.
It won't matter unless our next coach is a coach/GM.Since we're not getting a GM or a Coach/GM, I just hope our next coach cares about the lines. Garrett is a typical Ex-QB who only cares about "weapons" in the passing game.