Newman was a fine CB. Played well above average most of his career with only a couple of years with a pass rush in front of him and never a stout front, giving opposing offenses a balanced attack every time. In 2005, he played coverage to the point where people didn't want to throw in his direction (they just picked the other side).It's much easier to look good at drafting a particular position when you are using nothing but first round picks on it.
Unless you are talking about Newman... or Claiborne.
Wait, maybe my point sucks.
Newman was decent enough at times. People just remember the end when he was terrible. Either way he never lived up to his draft positionNewman was a fine CB. Played well above average most of his career with only a couple of years with a pass rush in front of him and never a stout front, giving opposing offenses a balanced attack every time. In 2005, he played coverage to the point where people didn't want to throw in his direction (they just picked the other side).
But Claiborne's not even a pro. It's not fair to Newman to lump both in the same category.
Terrell Suggs, sure. Kevin Williams is another. But that happens in every draft.Newman was very similar to Quentin Jammer. Good enough to be a long term starter. But it's tough to see all the players you missed out on by picking him.
Bobbeh Carpenter has to be in the discussion.Can anyone recall a bigger fail than Claiborne in the Jones era?
At least Bobbeh was only picked at 18 and we didn't trade up to get him.Bobbeh Carpenter has to be in the discussion.
True but Claiborne at least was a starting player for us. Bobby Carpenter started like a total of 3 games in Dallas. In a league where first round picks get every opportunity to start some games that dude couldn't even manage to do that.At least Bobbeh was only picked at 18 and we didn't trade up to get him.
Yeah, I was assuming we take one this year. That's not manipulating the numbers, it's pretty much just raw numerical data... though maybe some don't like the conclusion.Yeah, just a little bit. He's only considering the 11 starters on defense. And even then, not including that there are more than one starting corners on defense. But since we actually are allowed to use first rounders on the other side of the ball (which we have quite often) it lessens the shock value of his attempt if they're included. All in all, a pretty sad attempt.
Stop manipulating the numbers.Two top ten CBs since 2003. Only the Browns have accomplished that.
Claiborne was forced into a starting spot because of draft position. Bobbeh got lost in the shuffle when Wade came in.True but Claiborne at least was a starting player for us. Bobby Carpenter started like a total of 3 games in Dallas. In a league where first round picks get every opportunity to start some games that dude couldn't even manage to do that.
Two top 10 corners since 1989. Not sure why we would stop in 2003. I would consider it manipulating the numbers when we go out of our way to include Newman who was over a decade ago but then not include any other years prior.Stop manipulating the numbers.
Shouldn't it be 2/11?At a position that comprises 1/11th of the starters, we will have used 4 first rounders on the position since 2003. That's 4/12.
Twice as often as average for a position that should get half as many first rounders.
We've drafted 8 first round Defensive end/Outside linebackers since 1994, and that means something!
Surely Newman was better than Jammer. I think Newman was more like Trufant.Newman was very similar to Quentin Jammer. Good enough to be a long term starter. But it's tough to see all the players you missed out on by picking him.
Honestly I think people aren't being hard enough on Newman. I remember a lot of seasons where teams were passing on us effortlessly. (The end of the 06 season stands out particularly.) it may be unfair, but in a lot of ways Newman seems like the biggest staple of most of our "gutless" defensive efforts.Surely Newman was better than Jammer. I think Newman was more like Trufant.
You can't depend on any DB to defend perfect passes, and teams had time to throw those on Dallas because outside of Ware there was 0 pass rush. All it takes is one.Honestly I think people aren't being hard enough on Newman. I remember a lot of seasons where teams were passing on us effortlessly. (The end of the 06 season stands out particularly.) it may be unfair, but in a lot of ways Newman seems like the biggest staple of most of our "gutless" defensive efforts.