Dallas’s Jerry Jones has odd reaction to Greg Hardy’s media session

[Cotton]

I remember back in the day there was this shithole of a school where everyone was yelling about 'guns up'. Despicable.

You sonofa...

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The examples of compromise you presented are indeed civil lawsuits and is common practice. Corporations and municipalities don't use these practices in criminal matters. The last I recall physical abuse is criminal. The example isn't one of parity for practices because of the type of laws involved.

Yeah, it's actually considered witness tampering to do it in a criminal trial, which is also a serious crime. It makes it extremely unlikely in a criminal case because she could literally accept the money from Hardy and turn around and still testify against him. The reason being because Hardy can't say anything about paying her off because it's illegal.

People think of a criminal case like a civil one way too often but they really aren't that similar. For example the girl in the Hardy case isn't even a party to the proceeding. No she can't just drop charges because she didn't charge anyone with anything. In a state criminal case the parties are the defendant and the state where the crime occurred.

So yeah, if Hardy paid the girl off, he would have accomplished nothing. Which brings me back to the real point, the case being dropped had to do with it being a shitty case. Not because Hardy was super guilty and the prosecutor just didn't want to pursue it.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I remember back in the day there was this shithole of a school where everyone was yelling about 'guns up'. Despicable.

Those were back in the good ole days when Leach was a great coach.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Hardy, by the alleged gold-digging crackhead.

So she is an "alleged" crackhead but Hardy is guilty, even though he isn't?

 

[jsmith6919]

Now tmz and other media have dug up Hardy's old rap video with gunshots in it he made last year and saying he just released it yesterday to keep the outrage going

 

[bbgun]

So she is an "alleged" crackhead but Hardy is guilty, even though he isn't?

Booze said she was a famous local skank, and I noted that skanks are victims of crimes all the time, usually because of the company they keep. And yes, a state court found him guilty of the alleged crimes. I can't believe it's controversial to note that Hardy is a bad person who needs to choose his words a little more carefully.

 

[townsend]

Booze said she was a famous local skank, and I noted that skanks are victims of crimes all the time, usually because of the company they keep. And yes, a state court found him guilty of the alleged crimes. I can't believe it's controversial to note that Hardy is a bad person who needs to choose his words a little more carefully.

Would you agree that the media has glossed over all of the complications in the story to streamline the narrative of Hardy as a villain? That the little documented evidence we have has Hardy calling the police on the woman, and claiming that she initially assaulted him. That most of the accusations brought against him by his ex were inconsistent.

All of these things could still point to Hardy as the bad guy. He clearly injured this woman, but it's a remarkably sexist notion that only men are to blame when physical abuse is happening on both sides. Wouldn't you agree the media is really eager to label anyone who is accused of domestic abuse as the next Ray Rice?

 

[Carp]

I root for the uniform and the star. Funny that this Hardy thing is getting such response from Cowboys fans. We are the same fan base that cheered Irvin on while he snorted coke off hooker and stabbed a teammate in the neck.

 

[bbgun]

Would you agree that the media has glossed over all of the complications in the story to streamline the narrative of Hardy as a villain? That the little documented evidence we have has Hardy calling the police on the woman, and claiming that she initially assaulted him. That most of the accusations brought against him by his ex were inconsistent.

All of these things could still point to Hardy as the bad guy. He clearly injured this woman, but it's a remarkably sexist notion that only men are to blame when physical abuse is happening on both sides. Wouldn't you agree the media is really eager to label anyone who is accused of domestic abuse as the next Ray Rice?

how come the judge wasn't swayed by these "complications"? why didn't Hardy's attorney exploit the inconsistencies? and if Hardy thought he was assaulted, he should have filed charges.

 

[townsend]

how come the judge wasn't swayed by these "complications"? why didn't Hardy's attorney exploit the inconsistencies? and if Hardy thought he was assaulted, he should have filed charges.

You're clearly uninformed. The defense is not allowed to speak at a bench trial. The judge was specifically gunning for perpetrators of domestic violence.

 

[boozeman]

Whole lot of up in here.

 

[boozeman]

You're clearly uninformed. The defense is not allowed to speak at a bench trial. The judge was specifically gunning for perpetrators of domestic violence.

Exactly. It amounts to political grandstanding.

And you said gunning. I am offended.

 

[Rev]

Cant call them gunners anymore.

 

[bbgun]

You're clearly uninformed. The defense is not allowed to speak at a bench trial. The judge was specifically gunning for perpetrators of domestic violence.

not true. the defense can object just as if it were a jury trial.

 

[Clay_Allison]

not true. the defense can object just as if it were a jury trial.

They can object procedurally, they cannot present a defense. It's more like a grand jury hearing than a real trial. And the way the law is written, as soon as the appeal is made the "conviction" never happened. The Jury trial is a trial 'de novo' meaning the accused retains the full presumption of innocence. So you say he was convicted by a state court, but legally, he wasn't.

 

[Genghis Khan]

You're clearly uninformed. The defense is not allowed to speak at a bench trial. The judge was specifically gunning for perpetrators of domestic violence.

Sadly, a lot of people are uninformed about this stuff, but insist on having opinions about it without knowing what they are talking about anyway.

Good for them I guess.

 

[townsend]

Sadly, a lot of people are uninformed about this stuff, but insist on having opinions about it without knowing what they are talking about anyway.

Good for them I guess.

It's all part of the progressive backlash against DV. Because backlashes don't ever happen in half measures, anyone accused of anything is automatically the most guilty. Because there's nothing more progressive than assuming that black men accused of hurting white women are always guilty.

 

[boozeman]

NFL upset with Greg Hardy’s remarks

Posted by Mike Florio on October 11, 2015, 8:59 AM EDT



After Cowboys defensive end Greg Hardy commemorated the lifting of his suspension with awkward remarks about Tom Brady’s wife and the unfortunate use of the phrase “guns blazin’,” different people had different reactions.

Cowboys fans and some of the media covering the team proclaimed that it was no big deal. Owner Jerry Jones downplayed the remarks in classic Jerry Jones style, reminding the world that Hardy won’t actually be taking guns onto the field, equating Brady’s value as a human with the attractiveness of his wife, and making an always-timely Elizabeth Taylor/Richard Burton reference.

Others weren’t happy with the comments. Once coach Jason Garrett made it clear that he’s in the group that finds the statements unfortunate, the issue seemed to be settled.

Through it all, the NFL said nothing. As of Sunday morning, the NFL has broken its silence, via comments from a league executive to the league-owned website.

“I couldn’t disagree more with Greg Hardy’s comments, and they do not reflect the values of the league,” NFL V.P. of social responsibility Anna Isaacson said. “We are working hard to bring attention to the positive role models many other players represent and also to continue our education with all members of the NFL family. . . .

“We spend a lot of time at the NFL educating our players on domestic violence and sexual assault. That’s what we control here, we control education. We control training, we control all the league does from a public perspective and public service, working with non-profit organizations. We can control that. So that everyone in the NFL family has the services and resources that they need if they need help.”

When it comes to properly expressing himself, Hardy clearly needed help on Tuesday. He got none from his team or from the league. While Hardy is ultimately responsible for his words and deeds, the team has a strong incentive to protect him from embarrassing himself or the organization.

Then again, maybe the team did help him — and maybe what he said Tuesday would have been even worse without the assistance.

Regardless, Hardy’s comments don’t constitute grounds for discipline. But it’s safe to say the do-what-it-wants league office will indeed pounce on Hardy if given another legitimate chance to do so.

 

[Cotton]

Oh, good fucking god, shut the fuck up about it already.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

“I couldn’t disagree more with Greg Hardy’s comments, and they do not reflect the values of the league,” NFL V.P. of social responsibility Anna Isaacson said. “We are working hard to bring attention to the positive role models many other players represent and also to continue our education with all members of the NFL family. . . .

“We spend a lot of time at the NFL educating our players on domestic violence and sexual assault. That’s what we control here, we control education. We control training, we control all the league does from a public perspective and public service, working with non-profit organizations. We can control that. So that everyone in the NFL family has the services and resources that they need if they need help.”

This is just NFL PR bullshit. That's exactly why they found a female to make the statements and of course her title is VP of social responsibility. I would like to know what specifically she disagree with in his comments. That Tom Brady's wife is beautiful? Or that Hardy wants to hit the field guns blazing. I remember when the NFL use to be manly and tough.