Dak Appreciation Thread

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In the first place I didn’t reply to anyone in particular, I just posed the question as to why no one else got called out after the same conversation continued.
 

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OK. LT. I didnt reply to you at all until you replied to my post. Just quit it. It was a blanket statement to begin with until you wanted to amp it up. I never once said Hey LT or even quoted your post until you wanted to know why I was doing it.
And my question was are you playing hall monitor? We were posting in response to pdoms post and you determined we needed to cease and desist. Then you directed the conversation to be done elsewhere. That seems like a hall monitor position to me. Why were we problematic talking about a former player? That’s done all the time. I don’t understand why you get upset but don’t understand that you were the one intervening to the process.
 

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Jesus Christ, just fucking stop it. LT, you have derailed a great thread idea with this nonsense. You quoted him and led the conversation into what seems like an agenda-driven direction. Stop it. Now.
 

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It’s your shop. So you get the last word I guess. But I still don’t need a hall monitor.
 

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It’s your shop. So you get the last word I guess. But I still don’t need a hall monitor.
Rev didn’t once call you out. He simply addressed the thread in general about how the thread should stay about Dak instead of bringing Romo into it. I agree with his opinion. Romo is long gone. Regardless of how you feel about his time here, he is not here anymore and shouldn’t convolute threads meant for a different purpose. Let him go. And, I’m not just addressing you with this post. I’m talking to the entire board. I’m not trying to be a dick. I’m trying to keep good threads from derailing.
 

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Rev didn’t once call you out. He simply addressed the thread in general about how the thread should stay about Dak instead of bringing Romo into it. I agree with his opinion. Romo is long gone. Regardless of how you feel about his time here, he is not here anymore and shouldn’t convolute threads meant for a different purpose. Let him go. And, I’m not just addressing you with this post. I’m talking to the entire board. I’m not trying to be a dick. I’m trying to keep good threads from derailing.
There were several posting about Romo. Not just me .Only after my post was there a protest about the thread and it had gone on for some time and continued after. Former players are discussed all the time. I don’t think I was out of line asking if he was being a hall monitor because the thread was essentially about Romo and not to my making.
 

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I’ve seen this mischievousness in Pittsburgh, Oakland and New England.

Gotta defend my partner here and don’t want anyone nicknaming him A.B. Fan
 

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There were several posting about Romo. Not just me .Only after my post was there a protest about the thread and it had gone on for some time and continued after. Former players are discussed all the time. I don’t think I was out of line asking if he was being a hall monitor because the thread was essentially about Romo and not to my making.
First, I addressed everyone. I realize you were not the first person to bring up Romo in the thread, you just continued it. Second, the thread was not about Romo, it was about Dak.
 

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First, I addressed everyone. I realize you were not the first person to bring up Romo in the thread, you just continued it. Second, the thread was not about Romo, it was about Dak.
I understand it was but no one was talking about Dak. I even made one of the few comments about. Dak.
 

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You can't mention Dak without people turning it into Romo was better somehow.
That is what is annoying me. Just let them be different players. They both have their good attributes and they both have their bad attributes. Just let Romo go away.
 

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That is what is annoying me. Just let them be different players. They both have their good attributes and they both have their bad attributes. Just let Romo go away.
Agreed.

But I think we can all also agree that we need Rev to quit calling people out. This shit is getting out of hand. Dude's just running wild.
 
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Agreed.

But I think we can all also agree that we need Rev to quit calling people out. This shit is getting out of hand. Dude's just running wild.
 

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[h=2]NFL quarterback rankings for 2019[/h] [h=3]The top tier[/h]
(Elite QBs; best MVP candidates.)

1. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs

The reigning league MVP is seeing some personnel change around him, but his play last season proved how much he can elevate his backs, receivers and tight ends. Mahomes has raised the standard for all young guns coming into the league.

2. Aaron Rodgers, Packers

Rodgers is due for a durable, MVP-like season, and he will feel rejuvenated with new, offensive-minded coach in Matt LaFleur letting him loose with a versatile receiving corps. LaFleur also will use the Green Bay's strengths up front and in the backfield to full advantage.

3. Tom Brady, Patriots

No matter how one measures his play, the GOAT was "only" superhuman last season, showing mild decline at age 41. Brady will be getting used to life without Rob Gronkowski in 2019 and leaning a little more on the run, but it's hard to rank him any lower until he retires.

MORE: Gronk saved best for last with Pats

4. Drew Brees, Saints

Brees was right there with Mahomes and Brady in the MVP conversation last season, and he is one of those legends many will grow to appreciate more years down the road when they look back on how prolific he was. Now at 40, Brees in a couple years could even become known as a better age-defier than Brady is now.

5. Russell Wilson, Seahawks

Wilson has had a roller-coaster offseason, first getting his big contract and then losing his longtime go-to guy in Doug Baldwin. But here's to a QB who consistently puts his team on his back, right arm and legs. Wilson will need to do even more of that in 2019.

[h=3]The second tier[/h]
(Slightly more dependent but still great QBs helped by fine offenses.)

6. Philip Rivers, Chargers

Rivers looks like a young 37 with his ironman status. His two seasons with coach Anthony Lynn in Los Angeles have produced stellar play, throwing it back to his late 20s.

7. Matt Ryan, Falcons

Ryan's MVP year in 2016 was written off as a late-career anomaly when he struggled under Steve Sarkisian the very next season. In 2018, Ryan quietly rounded back into that form with similar numbers. Now with a familiar new coordinator in Dirk Koetter, expect the QB to adapt well and find comfort quickly.

8. Baker Mayfield, Browns

This is not just more Cleveland hype for 2019. Mayfield put together a terrific rookie season, one that could have been even better had Hue Jackson allowed him to compete for the job in the preseason, or had Freddie Kitchens been coaching him all the way. Now Kitchens is doing just that, and Mayfield has an elite No. 1 wideout in Odell Beckham Jr.

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9. Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers

No, we did not put Big Ben behind Baker just to stir conversation in the AFC North. Given current trajectories, it made little sense to go the other way around. Roethlisberger will be impacted by the absence of Antonio Brown, and the Steelers will lean more on the running game and defense this season to compensate for the fade in Roethlisberger's athleticism and ability to carry the team. Big Ben is still a fine, winning gunslinger, but going forward, Mayfield has the edge in intangibles.

10. Carson Wentz, Eagles

Wentz, a physical and athletic freak who got strong MVP consideration in his second season before his knee injury, would be ranked higher if not for concerns about his durability going into Year 4. He has a good chance to quickly change that narrative this season. The Eagles no longer have a good backup plan, and they are investing more in Wentz's playmakers and protection.

11. Jared Goff, Rams

The notion that Goff is a system QB is not an insult; he should not apologize for his coach tailoring an offense to his strengths and allowing him to operate with the best wide receiver trio in the NFL. Goff proved last season he can get the job done even when other parts of the offense are not working. It just comes with more streakiness than consistency.

[h=3]The third tier[/h]
(Younger QBs who have shown flashes and are on the cusp of greatness.)

12. Deshaun Watson, Texans

Considering Watson has been running for his life behind what have been some of the NFL's worst pass-protecting lines, he has done well to survive and find ways to make plays. With the Texans' investments at tackle and with better overall health among his targets, Watson in 2019 should have his best passing season yet, with less dependency on scrambling at the first sign of trouble.

13. Dak Prescott, Cowboys

Prescott dazzled as a rookie in 2016 and slumped as a sophomore in 2017. Last season, he was closer to his rookie form in a year that largely landed between both extremes. Prescott got hot in the second half of the season once he clicked with new No. 1 wideout Amari Cooper, creating a trickle-down effect that should continue with more legitimate overall weapons in 2019.

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14. Mitchell Trubisky, Bears

Trubisky felt the free-wheeling groove in Matt Nagy's offense last season, and he compensated for the passing lumps he took with fearless running and smart, short-to-intermediate distributing to an array of targets. For Chicago to go further in the playoffs, its QB will need to show more confidence.

15. Jimmy Garoppolo, 49ers

Jimmy G was a tough QB to rank coming off a torn ACL, but before he was injured last September, he showed signs of his ability to light up a defense. He returns to a more loaded offense with Tevin Coleman, Deebo Samuel and Jalen Hurd adding to Dante Pettis, George Kittle, Marquise Goodwin and Jerick McKinnon. Expect Garoppolo to pick up where he left off (and then some) in his true Year 2 under coach Kyle Shanahan.

[h=3]The fourth tier[/h]
(Older QBs with some standout accomplishments, but pressure to perform in 2019 is on.)

16. Matthew Stafford, Lions

Rumors have suggested Detroit recently thought about replacing Stafford and/or is thinking about replacing him in the near future. The Lions finally have succeeded with reigning in the high-volume gunslinger as they have shifted toward a more run-oriented offense. Stafford will continue to miss Golden Tate, but he will appreciate how a player like T.J. Hockenson can help relieve pressure.

17. Kirk Cousins, Vikings

Cousins was another tough QB to rank, but his first season in Minnesota was not nearly the expensive bust it has been made out to be. With no reliable protection, a lack of a key third target and more coaching-staff changes, for Cousins to bounce back in 2019, he needs to connect with big plays downfield more consistently and cut down on the ill-timed mistakes.

18. Cam Newton, Panthers

Newton is entering the 2019 season with concerns about his throwing shoulder and coming off a season he was not healthy enough to finish. Given the current landscape of QBs in the NFL, the 2015 league MVP being ranked in the middle of the pack is not disrespect; it's reality. Last season, Newton did improve from 2017 with a better completion percentage and yards per attempt, but he still ranked No. 17 in passer rating (20th in ESPN's QBR and 23rd in Pro Football Focus' QB grades). In 2019, with offensive coordinator Norv Turner having the desired running game down with Christian McCaffrey, Newton will benefit from D.J. Moore and his other quick weapons in the downfield-passing aspect of the offense.

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19. Jameis Winston, Buccaneers

It was tempting to rank Winston higher just because Bruce Arians seems like a coach who can get the best out of the QB. But Winston got toggled with Ryan Fitzpatrick last season because he kept committing turnovers with sloppy passing, enough for the Bucs to think about starting over at QB in 2020. Winston was supposed to be a can't-miss QB as the No. 1 overall pick in 2015, but it's now or never for him to tap into his potential. If anyone can turn Winston into a Big Ben clone, it should be Arians.

20. Marcus Mariota, Titans

Here is another frustrating QB to rank. Mariota has been through the wringer with offensive schemers, and health has not been on his side. Neither has game-planning in one of the league's most run-heavy offenses. Tennessee has invested more in his targets with wide receivers Adam Humphries and A.J. Brown to complement Corey Davis. We can't totally believe in Mariota until we see him respond.

[h=3]The fifth tier[/h]
(Second-year QBs trying to make the leap, plus subs trying to make it as starters.)

22. Sam Darnold, Jets

Darnold last season had an underrated receiving corps with Robby Anderson, Quincy Enunwa and Chris Herndon, and now has the ultimate backfield outlet in Le'Veon Bell. He is the kind of smart, pro-style passer new coach Adam Gase can mold.

23. Lamar Jackson, Ravens

Jackson was trying to figure things out as a passer last season, yet he still managed to lead Baltimore to a division title. The drafting of Marquise Brown and Miles Boykin suggests the Ravens are OK letting Jackson throw more downfield without curbing his special athleticism.

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24. Nick Foles, Jaguars

Foles has had success in Philadelphia, but it's been a different story elsewhere in his seven-year career. There are some favorable elements for him in Jacksonville, but many of those are rooted in the running game and defense. Foles is bound to return to his streaky nature as a downfield passer.

25. Jacoby Brissett, Colts

With Andrew Luck suddenly retiring before the 2019 season, there is one less QB in the top tier and one more here. Brissett had an extended starting stint in 2017 with a much lesser team around him. He has a strong arm and good mobility, and he has the right coach in Frank Reich to help harness these raw abilities to be more efficient in the system. Brissett will be a highly dependent QB at first, but he has plenty of positives on which to lean.

26. Josh Allen, Bills

Allen last season put up some pleasing fantasy stats because he produced while running with reckless abandon, adding some big plays with his big arm later in his rookie year. There is plenty of style in Allen's game; now we will see if there's Year 2 substance behind Buffalo's dedication to improving the offensive line and making both the backfield and receiving corps deeper.

[h=3]The sixth tier[/h]
(QBs who have been adequate but are fading fast.)

27. Andy Dalton, Bengals

Dalton gets an extension of his starting status in Cincinnati with Zac Taylor giving the offense a fresh, wide-open look. The Bengals hope that development, plus a good supporting skill cast, can push Dalton closer to his ceiling. But that's still pretty low in relation to the QBs above; Dalton remains a dependent QB regardless.

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Dolphins

The Fitzmagic was rediscovered for stretches in Tampa Bay, where the Buccaneers simply let him chuck the ball all over the field for Dirk Koetter and Todd Monken. The streaky, well-traveled veteran is bound to return to more journeyman fill-in status in a different offense, where he will be challenged to keep his bridge gig ahead of Josh Rosen.

28. Derek Carr, Raiders

Coach Jon Gruden is sticking with Carr, hoping the big changes to the receiving corps (Antonio Brown, Tyrell Williams, Hunter Renfrow) and a promising rookie feature back (Josh Jacobs) can smooth out the QB's recent bumpy ride. In trying to live up to his big contract, Carr's lack of consistency in accuracy and decision-making has let him down.

[h=3]The seventh tier[/h]
(QBs who have won Super Bowls, but age has caught up to them.)

29. Eli Manning, Giants

Manning's deteriorating physical skills are evident. He is keeping the job for now because he is an established leader for the Giants' gradual transition to Daniel Jones, for whom Manning is the ideal mentor.

30. Joe Flacco, Broncos

Flacco's big arm is not as booming anymore. He will need to come through more with the mental aspects of his game to contribute effectively as a bridge QB in an offense built around its running game. He will feel the heat of Drew Lock while trying to keep the pocket warm for the rookie.

[h=3]The top rookies[/h]
(QBs we're getting to know as pros.)

31. Kyler Murray, Cardinals

Coach Kliff Kingsbury promises not to hold back the offense for Murray, looking to stretch the field both vertically and horizontally. Larry Fitzgerald, Christian Kirk, David Johnson, Andy Isabella and Hakeem Butler give Murray favorable targets on every level to make that happen. The trick will be Murray harnessing his electricity to match a higher degree of difficulty in the NFL.

32. Dwayne Haskins, Redskins

Haskins needs to prove he does not have happy feet in the pocket, but rather the presence to stand tall and deliver strong, accurate throws while under pressure. Physically and arm-wise, he is ready to play soon.

[h=3]The rest[/h]
(Other notable QBs.)

33. Case Keenum, Redskins

34. Tyrod Taylor, Chargers

35. Josh Rosen, Dolphins

36. Ryan Tannehill, Titans

37. Nick Mullens, 49ers

38. Blake Bortles, Rams

39. Daniel Jones, Giants

40. Drew Lock, Broncos
 

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Dak is maturing and has turned the corner from being a caretaker to the definitive catalyst that decides games. This started against New York at the end of the 2018 season.

Next steps are:

1). Succeeding under consistent pressure. Has barely seen any yet.
2). Dominating passing performances vs. playoff caliber opponents. Next week is the first test. Domination doesn’t have to be pretty, but it must be clear the QB is the most feared guy on offense.

It can’t be Zeke first anymore, we must pass to set up the run.
 

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Next steps are:

Succeeding under consistent pressure. Has barely seen any yet.
Not sure what kind of pressure you mean. Opposing defenses or mental pressure from external forces?
 

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Romo was excellent and could only have dreamed of the supporting cast that Prescott now has.

I sense an agenda in play.
LOL

Romo was surrounded by probowlers here and still did nothing in big games.

I love idiots who act like he was devoid of talent the whole time. He played on some fairly loaded teams.
 

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Yeah he had pretty good teams in 2014 and 2007. Got screwed mostly by poor fortune in the playoffs rather issues with his play.

Damn, Romo's QB rating in 2014 was 113.2. That's pretty fing good.
He was pretty mediocre in that loss to the NYG in 2007. 18/36 for barely 200 yds and a pick. Blowing out the weekend before (bye weekend) instead of cramming for the Giants made himself and the whole organization look stupid.

He was also pretty bad vs Minnesota in that 2009 game with 3 turnovers and a poor throwing day in general. He wasn't solely to blame as the whole team played putrid.

He had 5 turnovers in that 44-6 blowout loss to Philly to end 2008 season, to go along with the pathetic comments afterward.

That 2012 win or go home game vs Washington he was really bad too.

Considering he was undrafted he made himself into a legit NFL starting QB and he had some really good seasons statistically (especially 2007, 2009, 2011 & 2014). But he was pretty fragile physically, didn't look like he ever spent time in a gym and could never get the team past the divisional round.
 
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