Cowboys Trade For George Pickens

[UncleMilti]

Almost all of them. DT, CB, LB especially.

We've had times in the past where we've brought in guys that we thought would help and they've completely flamed out, guys like Thornton and Poe. So it's hard for me to count on some of the new guys until we see them for us, on the field. And we didn't address NT all that well it doesn't seem to me. CB we addressed with a talented rookie who is hurt and might not get any camp time or much in order to get acclimated to the pros. I'm not sure how much I'd count on a rookie. Who knows when Diggs comes back. We traded for basically a former bust from Buffalo. I think the position is still precarious right now.

With LB, it feels kind of piecemeal until Overshown returns, and I'm not sure he's reliable health wise at this point, even if he comes back in like November. The other guys all seem to have flaws.

We all know the issues against the run, particularly with regard to NT / 1T.

Those things aside, I don't buy into some of the revisionist excuses I'm hearing for how bad it got at times last year.

For example, you can say, oh, Micah got hurt. But he played I think in 13 games, he only missed about 4. And he was in there on some of our worst performances, like against new Orleans. Even when we were mostly in tact injury wise it wasn't good. You can say Lawrence was hurt also, but he's not exactly back. Yes we added Fowler and I support the addition but how will he do away from Quinn now? I don't think it's so obvious he'll be the same player.

I do think some of the issues was scheme related and it took some time for the defense and zimmer to kind of mesh, which would explain why it got somewhat better as the year progressed. But zimmer has shown many times over the years to be a good DC so it can't have been just that.

Those are just some of the issues. I think we had a long way to go to get the defense better. I will concede that I do think we improved. I like some of the players we brought in. But I'm not convinced it will be that much improvement.

I don't think the defense will suck but I don't think we'll be in the top half of the league, or at the very least I think we may be fine against bad offenses but we'll struggle pretty hard against good playoff type offenses. Which means we have a glass ceiling as usual.

I’m not convinced we added enough talent on defense. I think the biggest issue for success will be if this D cannot keep teams from scoring when it absolutely needs to.

When Dak presses to make things happen the odds are really low we win a game like that based on his history. He has seemed to play well when the defense is helping to keep us in the game.

Dak isn’t a great QB…people will argue the point but at the end of the day he’s not the QB that puts the team on his back and wills everyone to victory. He is however a QB that can run an offense with weapons effectively enough to win tough games if the defense keeps the score manageable.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Bateman is a steady WR2.

Pickens more talented, that wins.

Dumb debate.

Pickens is the better player. End of story for me.

 

[chevycowboys]

This is one of the places I'd tap the brakes.

I like Blue's talent but you never know what will and won't translate to the pros. I liked Deuce's explosiveness coming out also and it hasn't translated at all (yes, his size is a hindrance but we saw Sproles make it work. The most damning thing about Deuce is he doesn't look explosive at all even though he did in college).

And that's not to mention Blue's hands - not just the fumbles but also he dropped a bunch of wide open passes that he should have caught.

I like the pick but I'm more in "wait and see" mode with him than "anointing" mode.

I'm hopeful but I'm not ready to assume anything yet.

This is one of the places I'd tap the brakes.

I like Blue's talent but you never know what will and won't translate to the pros. I liked Deuce's explosiveness coming out also and it hasn't translated at all (yes, his size is a hindrance but we saw Sproles make it work. The most damning thing about Deuce is he doesn't look explosive at all even though he did in college).

And that's not to mention Blue's hands - not just the fumbles but also he dropped a bunch of wide open passes that he should have caught.

I like the pick but I'm more in "wait and see" mode with him than "anointing" mode.

I'm hopeful but I'm not ready to assume anything yet.

In all fairness, when they did use deuce, they ran him straight up the middle every time. That little running back is not made to run up the middle. They seriously misused him last year on a few times that they even used them at all.

 

[Smitty]

I don't think Deuce has a chance to make this team.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

In all fairness, when they did use deuce, they ran him straight up the middle every time. That little running back is not made to run up the middle. They seriously misused him last year on a few times that they even used them at all.

At some point you just have to say, he is too small to run up the middle, too small to pass protect, to small to be an effective pass catcher. Suddenly all you have left are runs outside. And is he good enough at that to be able to use? Hard to trick a defense if thats all the guy is useful at.

In the end, he is just too small.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I still don't think he's too small to run the ball. He might be too small to pass block, though. One eighty vs a 240 lb blitzing LB might be too much to give up.

 

[ravidubey]

I’m not convinced we added enough talent on defense. I think the biggest issue for success will be if this D cannot keep teams from scoring when it absolutely needs to.

It can’t, but if Dak can get a lead, then the D won’t have to worry about the run in the second half and can pin its ears back and rush.

Lord help us the first half, though. We gave up gaping holes last couple of years. James Cook is still scoring fantasy points from tearing us a new one in 2023.

Wonder why we can never get defense right

 

[Simpleton]

Deuce was always just a lottery ticket on a guy who dominated in college, but that 4.56 number was a red flag given his size.

Riley being on the staff probably gives him a chance but we're 2+ years in now and the lottery ticket probably isn't going to cash, no harm in just moving on, that's how the NFL works.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Riley being on the staff probably gives him a chance but we're 2+ years in now and the lottery ticket probably isn't going to cash, no harm in just moving on, that's how the NFL works.

Yep, no shame, you swung in a guy and missed. Not everyone just needs a chance or is being used wrong.

 

[Genghis Khan]

In all fairness, when they did use deuce, they ran him straight up the middle every time. That little running back is not made to run up the middle. They seriously misused him last year on a few times that they even used them at all.

They misused him both years, that's definitely true.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I don't think Deuce has a chance to make this team.

Pretty much none. He's been so bad I don't think he's redeemable. I just don't see any skills that set him above any of the other RBs.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I still don't think he's too small to run the ball. He might be too small to pass block, though. One eighty vs a 240 lb blitzing LB might be too much to give up.

Sproles made it work and they're I think only like an inch apart. But Sproles had a burst and a vision that Deuce just seems to lack.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Wonder why we can never get defense right

That's a really good question.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Yep, no shame, you swung in a guy and missed. Not everyone just needs a chance or is being used wrong.

The shame was that we didn't address RB earlier in that draft.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Sproles made it work and they're I think only like an inch apart. But Sproles had a burst and a vision that Deuce just seems to lack.

I do think Sproles was a little thicker, a little heavier. But yeah, not that different.

I still think if you just watched Deuce's carries and didn't look at the stats, he runs the ball pretty well. I'd take out that one Giants game where we had a 30 point lead and he ran into stacked boxes every carry. No back would have had a chance on those snaps.

My one question is if Mike was just biased against him. Maybe he's a little like Parcells and hates smaller players. I guess we'll find out with a new coaching staff.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I do think Sproles was a little thicker, a little heavier. But yeah, not that different.

I still think if you just watched Deuce's carries and didn't look at the stats, he runs the ball pretty well. I'd take out that one Giants game where we had a 30 point lead and he ran into stacked boxes every carry. No back would have had a chance on those snaps.

My one question is if Mike was just biased against him. Maybe he's a little like Parcells and hates smaller players. I guess we'll find out with a new coaching staff.

I think we'll see. He'll probably get some chances in the preseason. I think part of the issue with him is his skill set sort of mostly overlaps what Turpin gives you, and Turpin is the superior player across the board.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I think we'll see. He'll probably get some chances in the preseason. I think part of the issue with him is his skill set sort of mostly overlaps what Turpin gives you, and Turpin is the superior player across the board.

And with Blue, I doubt you want to carry two smaller backs. It's probably one or the other, and I can't imagine that wouldn't be Blue.

 

[shane]

This move took balls and put an A+ level talent on the team at a position we needed it the most.

Lamb/Pickens has the potential to be the best 1/2 punch at the WR position in the league.

And even if it fails, the price tag is not massive.

Props to Jerry.

 

[Bipo]

This move took balls and put an A+ level talent on the team at a position we needed it the most.

Lamb/Pickens has the potential to be the best 1/2 punch at the WR position in the league.

And even if it fails, the price tag is not massive.

Props to Jerry.

Doubtful they'll be better than Chase/Higgins, but definitely chance for top 2-3

 

[ravidubey]

I think Pickens can certainly make the same or better impact as Devonta Smith.

Pickens gives Dak a possession WR he’s never had, and also has big play ability.

I agree Chase/Higgins is the current gold standard, and that has a lot to do with Burrow