BTB: Cowboys 2014 Draft - The Best Case Scenario?

[Smitty]

My point has been and remains that you can't always get better than a Travis Frederick type pick at the end of the first round. I haven't moved the goal posts on that at all.

The way I expressed that point was to indicate that Frederick was a lesser caliber prospect than a guy like a Dez Bryant, and that sometimes it's not realistic to expect Dez Bryant in the 20s but all you can get is a Travis Frederick. I mistakenly called the latter type of player "not an impact" which you called me out on, and which of course, as I said last page and am saying again now, was wrong of me.

But is also an issue of semantics in what I call a player of Frederick's caliber, because there is a difference between what I'd consider a grand slam home run value pick in Dez Bryant and a solid double in Travis Frederick. And that difference is what LT and I were actually discussing, not the terminology as to whether Frederick made a huge difference for us (which of course I believe that he did).

Ealy will not be in Bryant's class. He could and probably will be in Frederick's class.

You don't have a position because all you add to this board is your weak ass trolling attempts.

 

[NoDak]

You don't have a position because all you add to this board is your weak ass trolling attempts.

And you love throwing this out whenever you get called out on your idiocy.

Take a look around, punchline. I'm by far not the only one laughing at you. Over plenty of topics, and quite often, I might add.

 

[Smitty]

And you love throwing this out whenever you get called out on your idiocy.

What's idiotic about saying sometimes you can't do better than Travis Frederick at the end of the first round sometimes?

Take a look around, punchline. I'm by far not the only one laughing at you. Over plenty of topics, and quite often, I might add.

If I gave a shit what you or a handful of other morons like you on this board thought, I would have left it long ago. I don't care that a couple of wanna be internet bullies like you try to mock me.

Weak troll attempt.

 

[NoDak]

What's idiotic about saying sometimes you can't do better than Travis Frederick at the end of the first round sometimes?

That's not what you said originally. You were saying we couldn't get an impact player there. I'm the one that brought Frederick's name into it. Then you changed it to being a perennial all pro.

And since when is the 16th pick at the end of the first round since that's where we pick and the discussion originated?

See what I mean about changing things around to suit you on the fly? We do.

 

[Rev]

~ getting popcorn~

 

[Smitty]

That's not what you said originally. You were saying we couldn't get an impact player there.

Yes, and that was wrong of me to say. You were correct when you said we got an impact player at 30 last year with Frederick.

But my point is not that Frederick didn't make an impact, obviously I love the player.

I'm the one that brought Frederick's name into it. Then you changed it to being a perennial all pro.

Would you agree that there is a difference in the caliber of prospect of Dez Bryant and Travis Frederick?

And since when is the 16th pick at the end of the first round since that's where we pick and the discussion originated?

The 16th pick is not at the end of the first round. This debate centers around Ealy and I said if we trade down into the 20s or 30s, I could see Ealy being a good pick there.

LT said "No it wouldn't because Ealy is not an impact player and I like my first round picks to be impact players."

I countered that with trying to equate Ealy to a similar tier as Frederick. In doing so, I said Frederick wasn't an impact player to differentiate him from a prospect that was more on par with Dez Bryant. Obviously it is wrong to say Frederick was not an impact player but I still think he's different than Bryant.

My whole point is that bottom of the first round guys like Frederick can still be good picks, even if they aren't on Bryant's level. And sometimes, the best you can do is a guy like Frederick. Or Ealy.

See what I mean about changing things around to suit you on the fly? We do.

I don't see it as changing the argument, it's more like pitching different explanations to try to clarify what I mean.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Whoa. I didn't say Ealy wasn't an impact player, I said his performance in the Cotton Bowl was a good performance but nothing outstanding. I made a comment about one performance in one game.

 

[Smitty]

Whoa. I didn't say Ealy wasn't an impact player, I said his performance in the Cotton Bowl was a good performance but nothing outstanding. I made a comment about one performance in one game.

Well you said "He is a reliable player but not a game changer" which sounded to me like you were making a projection of him as a player overall, not commenting on his one game.

That sounded to me like you don't think he's an impact player and it seemed like you followed that up by saying you wouldn't want him with your first round pick. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Well you said "He is a reliable player but not a game changer" which sounded to me like you were making a projection of him as a player overall, not commenting on his one game.

That sounded to me like you don't think he's an impact player and it seemed like you followed that up by saying you wouldn't want him with your first round pick. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

Yes that is what I saw in that particular game but it's not a total assessment of the player. I didn't see a lot of him this past season. And again based on what I saw in the Cotton Bowl he didn't give a performance that would make me think he would be a game changer. It'd all in the context of one game.

 

[Simpleton]

I mostly agree with what smitty is saying, if you could guarantee me Greg Ellis type production out of the 16th pick I'd be more than happy to take it. If Ealy can give us 8 or so years of 6-10 sacks a year with strong run defense, you could do a whole lot worse than that.

He isn't my first choice by any stretch at 16 but I wouldn't hate the pick.

 

[Simpleton]

I also think Dez is a poor example, he was a top 5-10 talent that only dropped because he had to basically sit out a whole season prior to the draft and then had random character issues.

He is not the kind of talent you should be comparing people picked in the 20's against.

 

[data]

Impact-wise, Frederick is the Dez Bryant of Centers in the NFL.