Sure, it just doesn't necessarily make him an exceptional player.Thats all I am saying. His performance this past season was an exceptional accomplishment.
Well you of course have your opinion. I am relying on what the actual facts of the performance revealed for his cumulative accomplishment.Sure, it just doesn't necessarily make him an exceptional player.
What facts are you using to say he is an exceptional player or should be thought of one moving forward.Well you of course have your opinion. I am relying on what the actual facts of the performance revealed for his cumulative accomplishment.
Amen.Jesus, some of you are acting like Murray was 3 yards and a cloud of dust or something.
He did average 4.7 ypc. That's very good, especially at his number of carries.
Your point that he's replaceable is a valid point, but you don't have to pretend he was mediocre to make it.
This rhetoric of, "what did he really do? What did he accomplish?" is, frankly, stupid.
He was really, really good. And, he can be replaced, but not by just anybody. Those concepts can coexist.
Jesus, some of you are acting like Murray was 3 yards and a cloud of dust or something.
He did average 4.7 ypc. That's very good, especially at his number of carries.
Your point that he's replaceable is a valid point, but you don't have to pretend he was mediocre to make it.
This rhetoric of, "what did he really do? What did he accomplish?" is, frankly, stupid.
He was really, really good. And, he can be replaced, but not by just anybody. Those concepts can coexist.
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Of course anyone would want JJ Watt on their team, maybe over any defender to ever play.What you need to look at is value above replacement. It's not just what a guy like Watt brings you or Murray brings you. You have to consider their level of play compared to a replacement. There are no other guys in the NFL that can even come close to doing what Watt does. On the other hand, there are other RBs in the NFL who would probably put up similar numbers to what Murray did last year behind this O-line.
Tap the brakes.Of course anyone would want JJ Watt on their team, maybe over any defender to ever play.
Reggie White is his only competition that I can see.Tap the brakes.
Nothing wrong with that statement. He did say maybe so there is some speculation to be had.Tap the brakes.
Don't forget all the TDs he has scored as well.Reggie White is his only competition that I can see.
White had 13 more sacks in his first 4 seasons, but Watt still has 57, double White's forced fumbles with 12, and an insane 37 passes defended to none for White (though I don't know how well stats were kept, I don't recall that as part of White's game). In today's pass-heavy league, that's huge. Defended passes are like sacks for 0 yards, and many can turn into picks the same way sacks become fumbles.
I've still got Lawrence Taylor, Deacon Jones, Alan Page, Ray Lewis, Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith as part of that conversation. Nothing bad about JJ Watt. I had to think hard to come up with that list, he's that good. I'd just like to see a little more of his career before I agree that he's the GOAT.Reggie White is his only competition that I can see.
White had 13 more sacks in his first 4 seasons, but Watt still has 57, double White's forced fumbles with 12, and an insane 37 passes defended to none for White (though I don't know how well stats were kept, I don't recall that as part of White's game). In today's pass-heavy league, that's huge. Defended passes are like sacks for 0 yards, and many can turn into picks the same way sacks become fumbles.
Reggie White was dominant back in the day, but Watt had an incredible season this year. To me, it was about as dominant and game changing as L.T. in his first few years. White was steady, but rarely made so many splashy plays that Watt made routine.Reggie White is his only competition that I can see.
White had 13 more sacks in his first 4 seasons, but Watt still has 57, double White's forced fumbles with 12, and an insane 37 passes defended to none for White (though I don't know how well stats were kept, I don't recall that as part of White's game). In today's pass-heavy league, that's huge. Defended passes are like sacks for 0 yards, and many can turn into picks the same way sacks become fumbles.
I will say JJ Watt had maybe the strongest season of any defensive player ever, at least since I started watching football.Reggie White was dominant back in the day, but Watt had an incredible season this year. To me, it was about as dominant and game changing as L.T. in his first few years. White was steady, but rarely made so many splashy plays that Watt made routine.