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I was in the car at halftime and the radio mentioned he was coming in for Bridges. They're so much better at mentioning injuries and benching than TV is.
2025 Random Cowboys Stuff Thread
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Yeah I must have been so pissed off at that point that I missed it. I didn't even realize he played until I saw some post today about how he gave up zero completions. I had to go back and check to see that he actually played 28 defensive snaps. I couldn't really tell you how he played because I don't think many balls were thrown in his direction. But I honestly didn't even realize he was out on the field.
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While this trade will have little to no impact on 2025, the one thing I like is that Eberflus should be completely out of excuses. If he can't get the defense looking average by the end of the year after adding all these guys then he really should be gone.
Will Jerry and the dumbos look at it that way? Who knows but at least they can't use the personnel as an excuse if the defense continues to crater.
Will Jerry and the dumbos look at it that way? Who knows but at least they can't use the personnel as an excuse if the defense continues to crater.
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Was at 3:00 CT today.
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It ended at 4PM.
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Well, shit.
Guess I'll just have to rely on the fond memories of finding out that Jordan Davis is worth a 1st and 2nd rounder to get me through the long, cold nights.
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I don't think he's a JAG. He's not a pro bowler necessarily but he's our best safety by a lot.
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Yeah, it's not that he's Ed Reed, it's that the people behind him are so bad.
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Jets trade DT Williams to Cowboys for DT Smith, picks
Cowboys get: DT Quinnen Williams
Jets get: DT Mazi Smith, 2026 second-round pick, 2027 first-round pick
Cowboys' grade: F
Jets' grade: A
There's no other way to put it: This is a horrific trade for the Cowboys.
It is completely unfathomable for a team like Dallas to be trading away major draft resources for a soon-to-be-28-year-old defensive tackle on a salary-heavy contract in a season when it has a 7% chance to make the playoffs, per ESPN's Football Power Index. And yet here we are.
Let's break it down, starting with Williams himself. Don't let the negative rhetoric I'm using fool you -- Williams has been a great player! Williams finished in the top eight in pass rush win rate at defensive tackle every season from 2020 to 2024 and had at least 5.5 sacks in each of those years (with a high of 12 in 2022), too. He appears to have dropped off in the pass-rushing front so far this season, however, with a 9.9% pass rush win rate at defensive tackle (17th-best) and just one sack.
But even as his pass rush has fallen off, his run stop win rate of 46.6% ranks second in the NFL among interior defenders. He's still a very good defensive tackle, and the Cowboys' defense needs all the help it can get. Dallas ranks 29th in EPA allowed against the pass and 30th against the run. But any compliments end there, because none of that comes remotely close to justifying this move.
The Cowboys had to be the highest bidder to get Williams, who would have been really valuable for some teams in 2025. But that's not the case for Dallas, which is 3-5-1. So the value of some of the draft capital and paying half of the $16.75 million Williams was owed in salary and per game roster bonuses this year is lost by Dallas' position in the standings. I wrote earlier that I didn't mind the Cowboys trading a seventh-round pick for Logan Wilson in that situation, but a first- and a second-round pick is so, so far beyond that.
The value Dallas gains really is for 2026 and 2027, when Williams will only get older. But they aren't getting those years for free. Williams's contract was salary-heavy (as opposed to bonus-heavy) so, assuming the contract was untouched, the Cowboys are going to pay Williams $21.75 million in cash next year and $25.5 million in cash in 2027.
The Jets probably cannot believe their fortune right now. By the time they are contenders again, it's very possible Williams will be in decline. Now they can simultaneously save on Williams' salary and turn him into serious draft assets -- all at a time when it's better for them, considering their need at quarterback, to tank.
As part of this deal the Jets acquired Smith, a former first-round pick who failed to make an impact for the Cowboys. Smith was supposed to be a run stopper for Dallas, but it never came together. He was relegated to five games as a backup this season with a 29.3% run stop win rate that is below average. Smith's inclusion doesn't move the needle for this deal. If anything, it's a slight negative for the Jets given his guaranteed $2.6 million salary for next season.
There are still a few minutes before the trade deadline as I write this but at the moment the Jets are far and away the biggest winners of the day.
As for the Cowboys? If they felt regret over the Micah Parsons deal and thought this would ease the pain ... trust me, it's only making it worse.
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I mean, I think that review gets a lot right. The signs are everywhere that this is a still good but declining player and the team is insane for trying to win now. They are fucking (basically) 3-6.
It’s an awful idea to double down on the “now” when the now is 3-6.
It’s an awful idea to double down on the “now” when the now is 3-6.
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Jets trade DT Williams to Cowboys for DT Smith, picks
Cowboys get: DT Quinnen Williams
Jets get: DT Mazi Smith, 2026 second-round pick, 2027 first-round pick
Cowboys' grade: F
Jets' grade: A
There's no other way to put it: This is a horrific trade for the Cowboys.
It is completely unfathomable for a team like Dallas to be trading away major draft resources for a soon-to-be-28-year-old defensive tackle on a salary-heavy contract in a season when it has a 7% chance to make the playoffs, per ESPN's Football Power Index. And yet here we are.
Let's break it down, starting with Williams himself. Don't let the negative rhetoric I'm using fool you -- Williams has been a great player! Williams finished in the top eight in pass rush win rate at defensive tackle every season from 2020 to 2024 and had at least 5.5 sacks in each of those years (with a high of 12 in 2022), too. He appears to have dropped off in the pass-rushing front so far this season, however, with a 9.9% pass rush win rate at defensive tackle (17th-best) and just one sack.
But even as his pass rush has fallen off, his run stop win rate of 46.6% ranks second in the NFL among interior defenders. He's still a very good defensive tackle, and the Cowboys' defense needs all the help it can get. Dallas ranks 29th in EPA allowed against the pass and 30th against the run. But any compliments end there, because none of that comes remotely close to justifying this move.
The Cowboys had to be the highest bidder to get Williams, who would have been really valuable for some teams in 2025. But that's not the case for Dallas, which is 3-5-1. So the value of some of the draft capital and paying half of the $16.75 million Williams was owed in salary and per game roster bonuses this year is lost by Dallas' position in the standings. I wrote earlier that I didn't mind the Cowboys trading a seventh-round pick for Logan Wilson in that situation, but a first- and a second-round pick is so, so far beyond that.
The value Dallas gains really is for 2026 and 2027, when Williams will only get older. But they aren't getting those years for free. Williams's contract was salary-heavy (as opposed to bonus-heavy) so, assuming the contract was untouched, the Cowboys are going to pay Williams $21.75 million in cash next year and $25.5 million in cash in 2027.
The Jets probably cannot believe their fortune right now. By the time they are contenders again, it's very possible Williams will be in decline. Now they can simultaneously save on Williams' salary and turn him into serious draft assets -- all at a time when it's better for them, considering their need at quarterback, to tank.
As part of this deal the Jets acquired Smith, a former first-round pick who failed to make an impact for the Cowboys. Smith was supposed to be a run stopper for Dallas, but it never came together. He was relegated to five games as a backup this season with a 29.3% run stop win rate that is below average. Smith's inclusion doesn't move the needle for this deal. If anything, it's a slight negative for the Jets given his guaranteed $2.6 million salary for next season.
There are still a few minutes before the trade deadline as I write this but at the moment the Jets are far and away the biggest winners of the day.
As for the Cowboys? If they felt regret over the Micah Parsons deal and thought this would ease the pain ... trust me, it's only making it worse.
Horrific take.
I don't like the trade but they did get a very good player.
That's not an F or anywhere near it.
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Who wrote that garbage? An F is ridiculous.
I haven't seen one pundit say this was some terrible deal. The writer here seems to think this has to be like baseball where it's only for this year.
I haven't seen one pundit say this was some terrible deal. The writer here seems to think this has to be like baseball where it's only for this year.
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This has almost nothing to do with 2026 in my opinion. I'm sure Jerry and whoever think otherwise but he's under contract for the next two years after this.
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Yea thinking it's an overpay is fine, it probably is, but he's also a top 5ish DT and probably a top 15ish defensive player in the league overall. I don't think that's going to change in the next year or two either.
This has nothing to do with trying to salvage 2025, it's the first step in rebuilding a terrible defense so that we can compete in 2026 and 2027.
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I agree if these 2 trades are for our future plans .. but if they think this is instant help … sadly mistaken …this defense is beyond fixable for this year under Elberfuck…..