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The Fed announced that it’s preparing to lower interest rates. Is it me, or is the timing incredibly suspect, since lower interest rates will spur demonstrative economic growth over the next 60 days that Harris and Co. can claim the credit for? Given the media and Fed’s love for all things Democrat, I highly doubt this is a coincidence.
 

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The Fed announced that it’s preparing to lower interest rates. Is it me, or is the timing incredibly suspect, since lower interest rates will spur demonstrative economic growth over the next 60 days? Given the media and Fed’s love for all things Democrat, I highly doubt this is a coincidence.
It's not just incredibly suspect -- it's 100% guaranteed that it was done to help the Dems win. This is the most politicized government we've ever seen, at least in our lifetimes.

I'll laugh if this makes oil and gasoline spike and puts inflation back in the headlines.
 

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It's not just incredibly suspect -- it's 100% guaranteed that it was done to help the Dems win. This is the most politicized government we've ever seen, at least in our lifetimes.

I'll laugh if this makes oil and gasoline spike and puts inflation back in the headlines.
I doubt that it would, since interest rates have no bearing on oil prices, but there’s no fucking way in Hell that the Fed would do this if the roles were reversed and Trump was running for reelection. I can’t stand the despicable piece of shit, but the bias against him is pretty blatant.
 

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Insane that this wasn't a thing already. WTF?
How is that not a thing in every state? Ensuring citizenship at the time of voter registration and verifying that the number of ballots cast matches the number counted seems pretty straight forward to me.

Oh, that’s right. I forgot. Having that opinion is racist. My bad.
 

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I doubt that it would, since interest rates have no bearing on oil prices, .
Um, of course it does. It affects all commodities.

But anyway, you're right on Trump. In fact, most people don't know that in 2019 when the economy was so strong pre-Covid, there was actually some slight quantitative tightening going on. For the economy to grow like it did in the face of that was pretty incredible in this day and age when most "growth" comes from money-printing. But I have no doubt they did that at least in part to hurt Trump.
 

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Um, of course it does. It affects all commodities.

But anyway, you're right on Trump. In fact, most people don't know that in 2019 when the economy was so strong pre-Covid, there was actually some slight quantitative tightening going on. For the economy to grow like it did in the face of that was pretty incredible in this day and age when most "growth" comes from money-printing. But I have no doubt they did that at least in part to hurt Trump.
Incorrect. U.S. interest rates have virtually no influence on the prices of imported crude oil. They influence other factors like mortgages and credit card rates, but not oil prices. Crude oil is a traded commodity, yes, but interest rates typically impact U.S. companies and their respective commodities, not ones controlled and traded in the international markets. OPEC (and foreign oil barons) controls oil prices, not interest rates.

Trump also inherited a relatively robust economy, but it really took off when he rightfully started cutting regulations. That said, he then hurt himself when he imposed the tariffs on China because it forced price increases rather than create opportunities for US companies to manufacture the same goods as those imported. Had he imposed a flat federal tax rate, then the tariffs would’ve made sense, but his tax plan didn’t reduce the tax rate enough to offset the tariffs.
 
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Incorrect. U.S. interest rates have virtually no influence on the prices of imported crude oil. They influence other factors like mortgages and credit card rates, but not oil prices. Crude oil is a traded commodity. OPEC (and foreign oil barons) controls oil prices, not interest rates.
Sorry, you're just wrong. If the dollar is worth less, commodities are worth more. That's not the only factor, but it is a part of it.

Then there's just the general overall stimulative effect of lower interest rates. That alone causes higher demand for crude.

Have the Fed Chair come out and say they're raising rates 200 basis points and see what happens to the oil market.
 

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Sorry, you're just wrong. If the dollar is worth less, commodities are worth more. That's not the only factor, but it is a part of it.

Then there's just the general overall stimulative effect of lower interest rates. That alone causes higher demand for crude.

Have the Fed Chair come out and say they're raising rates 200 basis points and see what happens to the oil market.
We already saw the Fed do that. Oil prices were just as noisy with high interest rates as they were with low interest rates, because interest rates don’t influence foreign oil production. Arab nations don’t give two shits about US interest rates because they have a monopoly on that commodity. Their prices are completely inelastic and totally agnostic to interest rates. And, oil consumption is also typically agnostic in that respect.
 
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Okay, suit yourself I guess. You can buy oil futures ahead of a huge fed tightening announcement and I'll short them, and we'll see how we do.
 

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And also telling you how badly they've been mistreated.
 

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Pushing 80, has an insane work ethic, and is trying to be imprisoned and possibly killed by the government.

Yeah, I think he's entitled to show a little age.
Are you talking about the guy who spent 4-6 hours a day watching cable news and played more fucking golf than his two predecessors combined?? That guy?
 
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