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Well I hope it goes better than the Wall the Mexicans were supposed to pay for.
That U.S. taxpayers wound up paying for, only for it to barely be anything more than what was already there. Basically, he forced citizens to eat billions of dollars and get nothing in return. Sounds just like what Democrats do.
 

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That U.S. taxpayers wound up paying for, only for it to barely be anything more than what was already there. Basically, he forced citizens to eat billions of dollars and get nothing in return. Sounds just like what Democrats do.
I think the cost offset. Border crossings were at an all time low and we had less illegals clogging up schools, emergency rooms and less demand for housing which has driven up the price of rents in the last 3 years without those policies.

Mexico was never going to cut a check and the point has been made time and again.

Think of it as remodeling and updating your home. It’s going to cost you on the front end, but if the job is done right, you make that money back in the increased value of your home.
 

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All reports are that Biden is refusing to leave.

If he goes to that convention and tries to speak, it’s going to be a disaster. I think it’s mid August? Can he dig his feet in that long?
 

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All reports are that Biden is refusing to leave.

If he goes to that convention and tries to speak, it’s going to be a disaster. I think it’s mid August? Can he dig his feet in that long?


He's got too much pride to bow out and concede to Trump.
 

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I think the cost offset. Border crossings were at an all time low and we had less illegals clogging up schools, emergency rooms and less demand for housing which has driven up the price of rents in the last 3 years without those policies.

Mexico was never going to cut a check and the point has been made time and again.

Think of it as remodeling and updating your home. It’s going to cost you on the front end, but if the job is done right, you make that money back in the increased value of your home.
Yeah, I don’t believe any of that, as there is no statistical or economic evidence to support it. I’m 100% in support of border security, but to suggest that it drove up rent, housing prices, and was “clogging up schools” is damn near laughable.
 

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Yeah, I don’t believe any of that, as there is no statistical or economic evidence to support it. I’m 100% in support of border security, but to suggest that it drove up rent, housing prices, and was “clogging up schools” is damn near laughable.
I think it's a bit naive to think there is no impact on the economy. Now the extent of that impact is certainly up for debate. But you can't see historically record setting numbers of illegal immigrants crossing the border and just say, nah, no impact on the economy. That is just as laughable as saying it's the only thing impacting housing and prices. There are a lot of factors but I wouldn't dismiss it as a factor either.
 

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I think it's a bit naive to think there is no impact on the economy. Now the extent of that impact is certainly up for debate. But you can't see historically record setting numbers of illegal immigrants crossing the border and just say, nah, no impact on the economy. That is just as laughable as saying it's the only thing impacting housing and prices. There are a lot of factors but I wouldn't dismiss it as a factor either.
Given that there are 330 million people in the U.S. and approximately 11 million are here illegally (adults and children in total, IF those numbers are accurate, which I question, because they could well be higher as I’ve seen reports as high as 40 million), the impact on an economy would be relatively small. I’d find it very hard to believe that all of them will be buying homes or living in areas which would significantly influence rents, given that most of them live in impoverished or low income areas.

The impact to schools given the numbers, when spread across the number of schools, will also be small. So to suggest that force feeding taxpayers with that bullshit and footing us with billions of dollars for literally nothing is insulting. The numbers themselves don’t hold up to the lies….err, rhetoric.
 
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Yeah, I don’t believe any of that, as there is no statistical or economic evidence to support it. I’m 100% in support of border security, but to suggest that it drove up rent, housing prices, and was “clogging up schools” is damn near laughable.
I thought you lived in CA?

It absolutely does all those things I describe. Rent prices are booming and there’s a shortage of available rentals. We know what demand does to the supply.

I know that when my kids were in school on Ca, both had at least 4 Spanish speaking kids in their class with teachers who had to devote time during the day to work one in one with those children. That takes away from the basic education my kids are entitled to.

And emergency rooms look like a 3rd world country every time I’ve been in one.
 

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Given that there are 330 million people in the U.S. and approximately 11 million are here illegally (adults and children in total, IF those numbers are accurate, which I question, because they could well be higher as I’ve seen reports as high as 40 million)
You don't think 40 million illegals (If we buy that number) would have a massive impact on an economy of 330 million? I disagree, and yes they are being housed somewhere. Low income or not they are taking up homes. Which displaces other low income people. Supply and demand is a real thing and when your supply is constant but the spike in demand goes up 12%, that's going to have really dramatic consequences.

But of course you'll never know the real numbers, nor will I. Because the government is never going to admit the numbers if they could actually track them. So none of us can really track the impact that illegals pouring into this country has had on the economy. All we really know is that it has had some type of impact. I disagree with the thought that it is imperceptible though.

And just to be clear I agree with a lot of the other factors you have talked about that have driven up the housing market costs. Covid had a massive impact, drove up material costs and inventory became stagnant. When the amount of housing being built isn't keeping up it's also going to drive prices up for example.
 

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Given that there are 330 million people in the U.S. and approximately 11 million are here illegally (adults and children in total, IF those numbers are accurate, which I question, because they could well be higher as I’ve seen reports as high as 40 million), the impact on an economy would be relatively small. I’d find it very hard to believe that all of them will be buying homes or living in areas which would significantly influence rents, given that most of them live in impoverished or low income areas.

The impact to schools given the numbers, when spread across the number of schools, will also be small. So to suggest that force feeding taxpayers with that bullshit and footing us with billions of dollars for literally nothing is insulting. The numbers themselves don’t hold up to the lies….err, rhetoric.
A 3 bedroom 1 bathroom house in a small farming community in California where my brother lives just rented for $2200.

Tons of illegals because that’s the type of area they work in. 3 families living in one house. $2200 isn’t a lot when you’re splitting it presumably between 3 families.

Who wants to live like that, though? And next to none of them are buying homes. Nobody is buying homes really right now unless they’re also selling one.
 

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I’d be really surprised if it’s under 40 million here illegal. We were talking about 22-25 million in 2016.

The last 3 years how many asylum seekers and how many do they not even know about?
 

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I thought you lived in CA?

It absolutely does all those things I describe. Rent prices are booming and there’s a shortage of available rentals. We know what demand does to the supply.

I know that when my kids were in school on Ca, both had at least 4 Spanish speaking kids in their class with teachers who had to devote time during the day to work one in one with those children. That takes away from the basic education my kids are entitled to.

And emergency rooms look like a 3rd world country every time I’ve been in one.
I split my time about 50/50 between CA and TX. And, properties are not skyrocketing because of immigration. That’s hilarious and totally untrue. I’m not sure what part of CA you were in, but that’s not why properties are increasing almost anywhere in southern CA. And seeing that my wife is a school teacher and has worked both in southern CA and TX, I can tell you that unless you’re in a ghetto or in the Fresno/Stockton/central CA area, it’s not nearly as bad as you describe.
 
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