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Lol @aTm. They can’t get away from their daddy.

UT and OU will go to the SEC if they damn well want to.
Yep. I'd be shocked if this doesn't happen.

Money drives all of these decisions. Texas & OU joining the SEC would be a massive haul for the SEC. There's no way in hell the SEC commissioner and university presidents will pass up a surefire financial boon just because 1 or 2 schools are butthurt that recruiting will be tougher.
 
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Yep. I'd be shocked if this doesn't happen.

Money drives all of these decisions. Texas & OU joining the SEC would be a massive haul for the SEC. There's no way in hell the SEC commissioner and university presidents will pass up a surefire financial boon just because 1 or 2 schools are butthurt that recruiting will be tougher.
These athletic departments also are shitting nickels now that the players are able to make their own money, probably even more than they were getting under the table before.
 

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These athletic departments also are shitting nickels now that the players are able to make their own money, probably even more than they were getting under the table before.
I heard on the radio yesterday that Alabama's QB, Bryce Young, already has close to a $1M in endorsements. They don't even know if he's going to be any good but he's raking in the dough nonetheless.
 

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I heard on the radio yesterday that Alabama's QB, Bryce Young, already has close to a $1M in endorsements. They don't even know if he's going to be any good but he's raking in the dough nonetheless.

It is a huge advantage to the heavy hitters. Coaches can now use endorsement deals to recruit. Recruiters will be calling their local car dealerships and so forth to tell about a new recruit that they need to work together to secure.
 

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I heard on the radio yesterday that Alabama's QB, Bryce Young, already has close to a $1M in endorsements. They don't even know if he's going to be any good but he's raking in the dough nonetheless.
Yep and now boosters don't have the control anymore and half if not more of these ADs have lost under the table shady money.

Gotta get that revenue back somehow.
 

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It is a huge advantage to the heavy hitters. Coaches can now use endorsement deals to recruit. Recruiters will be calling their local car dealerships and so forth to tell about a new recruit that they need to work together to secure.
It just changes the way they do business. They have been doing this in back offices for years IMO.
 

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It just changes the way they do business. They have been doing this in back offices for years IMO.
I think now instead of a big donation to the school though you'll see them make a big donation to secure a star player or two.
 

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omg this would be a lot of fun for football and basketball.
 

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If they do go to something like a group of super conferences I think it would be pretty cool if they implemented some European soccer style relegation into the mix. That way you don't have bottom-feeding programs like Kansas hanging around year after year collecting money and occupying a space in a league they have no shot in hell of winning.

For instance, if they finish in last place 2 years in a row, move them down to the mid-major level and bump up one of the good Group of 5/mid-major teams to replace them. You should constantly have to earn your seat at the table in the super conferences.
 

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If they do go to something like a group of super conferences I think it would be pretty cool if they implemented some European soccer style relegation into the mix. That way you don't have bottom-feeding programs like Kansas hanging around year after year collecting money and occupying a space in a league they have no shot in hell of winning.

For instance, if they finish in last place 2 years in a row, move them down to the mid-major level and bump up one of the good Group of 5/mid-major teams to replace them. You should constantly have to earn your seat at the table in the super conferences.
I suggested something like this a few days ago.
 

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... As Pete Thamel reported last night, Texas Tech president Laurence Schovanec, acting in his leadership capacity with the Big 12 Board of Directors, met with Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby, Texas president Jay Hartzell and Oklahoma president Joe Harroz on Sunday. The angle from Texas and Oklahoma was that they were just there to listen. The question is whether the next meeting will be a continuation of the discussion last night or if it will be Hartzell and Harroz expressing their institutions' intention to withdraw from the Big 12.

... Schovanec and Kirby Hocutt have been appointed to separate internal committees in the Big 12, one of which is focused on potential solutions to keep the Longhorns and Sooners in the Big 12 while the other is looking ahead to what the conference should do if/when Texas and Oklahoma withdraw. Texas Tech's leadership is very involved with what is going on right now in the Big 12.

... Texas will never say this publicly, and will continue to float the notion that it is perfectly content to ride out the rest of its Grant of Rights with the Big 12, but the thought within the league is that the Longhorns want the 2021-22 academic year to be their last in the Big 12.

... If the Big 12 is going to see Texas and Oklahoma depart next June, it will need to act relatively quickly to line up replacement members so that they can join next summer. The question at that point becomes how many and who. The addition(s) of SMU or Houston would be strongly opposed by Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Baylor and TCU.

... The messaging inside the university is that Texas Tech, like the other seven remaining Big 12 institutions, is going to look out for its own best interests while, publicly, saying all of the right things about sticking together with the Big 12, adding members and making the best of it. But, suffice it to say, there is a lot of doubt internally at Texas Tech about the long-term viability of adding two or four teams to what is left of the Big 12.

... The last major round of realignment essentially started in December 2009 when the Big Ten announced that it was exploring the possibility of expanding from 11 teams. That set off a series of chain reactions that, ultimately, didn't really end until 2014 when Maryland and Rutgers officially entered the Big Ten and Louisville entered the ACC.

We could be facing a similar period of uncertainty now, where the immediate outcome of Texas and Oklahoma leaving for the SEC is not necessarily the same as the long-term outcome.

For Texas Tech, that could mean two to three seasons in a re-worked Big 12 and potentially a more long-term future in an expanded Pac-12.

... Here's a general rule of thumb for realignment: Leagues are not going to be in a rush to add to the bottom of their league. There are instances where a conference has added to the bottom of its league (e.g. Rutgers) but, more often than not, leagues will add to the top or middle.

... Grain-of-salt realignment scuttlebutt: West Virginia may be right there with Kansas State as one of the most vulnerable institutions in the Big 12. While WVU is a perfect geographic fit for the ACC, we have heard from more than a few sources that it is a terrible cultural fit for that league. If the Mountaineers don't have a landing spot in the ACC, where exactly do they go? ... This round of realignment has already reached seismic levels with just Texas and Oklahoma switching conferences. If we go from seismic to nuclear, and ACC programs begin to challenge that league's ability to enforce its lengthy Grant of Rights agreement, the Big Ten would covet Virginia.
 

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The more I think about it I’m glad they are leaving. If I never have to put up with teasips again I would be okay with that. GTFO of my life, you whiny fucking children.
 

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One thing that most folks do not know is that aTm and UT have benefitted greatly by the PUF (permanent university fund) that funnels hundreds of millions from oil money/university funds from the Permian Basin. Considering that the oil and gas production comes directly from west Texas it is just a bogus deal that has been going for decades. UT and aTm completed the biggest funding scam in all of college history by making this a politically permanent deal for them. Bastards.



How the University of Texas treated Texas Tech should be against the law | Opinion
BY MAC ENGEL
JULY 26, 2021 05:00 AM,




At Big 12 Media Days, the league makes it clear that the "Horns Down" gesture could draw a penalty, while Texas running back Bijan Robinson has no problem with the gesture itself. BY MAC ENGEL


As Texas shrugs at its brothers and sisters throughout the state, and Oklahoma looks away when Oklahoma State glances its way, there is one school in this mess whose frustrations exceed that of Texas A&M.

As private schools, both TCU and Baylor are allowed to “feel what they feel,” but since neither is a state school their respective sphere of pain should not compare to the people of West Texas.

What the University of Texas is doing to Texas Tech should technically be illegal.

Spare me the excuses that the athletic departments run on separate budgets. Both of these schools receive state money, and as such Texas owed Texas Tech, and Texas A&M, transparency.

UT leaving the Big 12 for the SEC will devalue Texas Tech, and damage local businesses in Lubbock.

More than 30 Texas lawmakers authored House Bill 298 on Friday in Austin that would stop Texas public universities from switching their conferences without approval from the Texas legislature.

The bill is not on Gov. Greg Abbott’s special session agenda, meaning this is a toothless, empty gesture.

Abbott is just as culpable in this slimy deception along with UT President Jay Hartzell, and the entire UT board of regents.

The person who will be trotted out to take these questions will be none of those people, but rather UT athletic director Chris Del Conte. That’s part of his $1 million salary.

While UT and Oklahoma’s move to the SEC is ultimately legal, how it was executed is disgusting.

The problem is political.

Texas Tech does not have a Bob Bullock in its corner this time.

When the Southwest Conference and Big Eight talked of a merger back in the early 1990s, it was the late Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock who saved both Tech and Baylor.

According to Lubbock Avalanche-Journal columnist Don Williams, Texas A&M was considering a move to the SEC back then, too.


Bullock told Southwest Conference officials, and the powers that be at A&M and Texas, they could do what they wanted, as long as they took Tech and Baylor.

Then Texas Gov. Ann Richards was a Baylor alum, and she is the one who normally is given credit for these two schools’ inclusion into the Big 12.

In reality it was Bullock, who made it clear that if Tech and Baylor were left out there would be consequences for both Texas and Texas A&M.

Basically, he threatened to withhold state funds.

Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU had no such allies this time around, and it allowed Texas to maneuver not only unimpeded but also with an escort from the governor himself.


Technically, Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby should have not only been on top of this, but also miles ahead. It’s his job to keep this conference healthy, and intact.

Instead, it will die on his watch because he was literally asleep as his conference’s two most powerful entities conspired to effectively end his league.

On the first day of Big 12 Media Days in Arlington two weeks ago, I asked him about the future of conference realignment.

Anyone who covers, or follows, college football knew it was coming; my thought was maybe the expansion of the college football playoffs would keep everything intact for another few years.

Bowlsby said, “And so a lot of the motivation for realignment is no longer there. Is that to say it couldn’t happen? No, it could possibly happen for other reasons.


“But it doesn’t appear to me that the motivation is there at this point in time. Not to say it couldn’t happen, but it’s not one of the things that keeps me up at night.”

He’s awake now, and those words will be on the gravestone to his career.

The Big 12 is currently offering deals to Texas and Oklahoma to keep this together, but the element of ESPN lurks like the grim reaper.

Texas and OU issued a joint statement on Monday morning informing the league of their intentions to leave the conference. So, this is over.

ESPN’s fingerprints are all over this move, and it does not want more Kansas vs. Oklahoma football games.


Texas and Oklahoma will eventually be a part of one giant college football conference that will feature Ohio State, USC, Oregon, Michigan, Alabama, Texas A&M, Wisconsin and 20 or so others. It will be the NFL’s real minor leagues.

There is no way TCU, Baylor, Wake Forest, Duke and “the others” will be a part of that equation.

That is years away, but it’s coming.

A Texas Tech was never going to be a part of that type of exclusive realignment, either. A legislature, especially one that is as pro business as Texas, is not going to stop that.

The only thing it should have mandated was transparency, because how one Texas state school is treating another should be illegal.
 

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TTU needs to get together with Oklahoma State to make a move ASAP. Like aggressively. If 4 teams leave the Big 12 will have to fold. There are 4-5 more years on the TV contract and I do not like the idea of Cinci, UCF, UH and Boise State being added. Ugh
 

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TTU needs to get together with Oklahoma State to make a move ASAP. Like aggressively. If 4 teams leave the Big 12 will have to fold. There are 4-5 more years on the TV contract and I do not like the idea of Cinci, UCF, UH and Boise State being added. Ugh
Even though I don ‘t think they’re a good fit, I think they’ll end up in the Pac-12.
 

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Texas and Oklahoma will eventually be a part of one giant college football conference that will feature Ohio State, USC, Oregon, Michigan, Alabama, Texas A&M, Wisconsin and 20 or so others. It will be the NFL’s real minor leagues.

There is no way TCU, Baylor, Wake Forest, Duke and “the others” will be a part of that equation.
One thing that keeps crossing my mind is if they do end up manipulating all the conferences by bringing in the stronger teams and running off the weaker teams, I don't think we'd ever see an undefeated team again. Traditionally the top college team would only have to navigate 3 or 4 tough games a year, while the rest of their schedule is made up of games against bad - average competition.

The way people have been talking over the past few days it feels like there aren't going to be nearly as many cupcakes on the schedule. And they're teams are probably going to have to deal with 6 or 7 legit tough games per year.
 

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One thing that keeps crossing my mind is if they do end up manipulating all the conferences by bringing in the stronger teams and running off the weaker teams, I don't think we'd ever see an undefeated team again. Traditionally the top college team would only have to navigate 3 or 4 tough games a year, while the rest of their schedule is made up of games against bad - average competition.

The way people have been talking over the past few days it feels like there aren't going to be nearly as many cupcakes on the schedule. And they're teams are probably going to have to deal with 6 or 7 legit tough games per year.
There would still be an undefeated but it probably wouldn't be from the Superconference. Think Clemson currently sleep walking through a shit conference. Someone would rise to the top.
 
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