2020 Season | Week 11 | Gameday Chatter | Cowboys @ Vikings | 11/22/2020

[armadillooutlaw]

Higher than Mike Holmgren, Tom Coughlin?

Coughlin, absolutely.
Not Holmgren, though.
His (Holmgren) resumé is hard to beat.

 

[data]

Yep. They switched the rule now.

Yeah, I know they switched the rule. To see it actually enforced correctly is the point.

Although, if it were the Bengals offense against the Steelers' defense in the 4th quarter of a tight game, I wonder...

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Yeah, I know they switched the rule. To see it actually enforced correctly is the point.

Although, if it were the Bengals offense against the Steelers' defense in the 4th quarter of a tight game, I wonder...

Steelers get all the calls, don't they?

 

[data]

Coughlin, absolutely.

Interesting...so Eli Manning gets HOF credit for "beating" Brady twice (ahem, defense), but Coughlin gets none for actually beating Belichick twice.

Coughlin has more total wins, Super Bowl wins than Cowher and Coughlin had success with two teams.

 

[bbgun]

WK 17 might be a repeat of 1993. I wonder how many yards Zeke can get with a separated shoulder.

 

[data]

WK 17 might be a repeat of 1993. I wonder how many yards Zeke can get with a separated shoulder.

How absolutely fucked up, but totally Cowboys, would it be to finish 8-7 and lose the division on Week 17 to the Giants

no playoffs and pick around #20

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Interesting...so Eli Manning gets HOF credit for "beating" Brady twice (ahem, defense), but Coughlin gets none for actually beating Belichick twice.

Coughlin has more total wins, Super Bowl wins than Cowher and Coughlin had success with two teams.

Coughlin is a HOF coach, certainly.
But he's not a better coach than Tomlin, IMO.
He has two rings, sure.
He also has a 53% career winning percentage and has as many 8-8 or worse seasons as he does winning seasons.
Meanwhile Tomlin has a ring, two Super Bowl appearances and has never had a losing record.
And boasts a 65.7% career winning percentage.
Not to mention he's coaching a 10-0 team at the moment.

 

[bbgun]

How absolutely fucked up, but totally Cowboys, would it be to finish 8-7 and lose the division on Week 17 to the Giants

no playoffs and pick around #20

Philly really fucked us with their collapse. They haven't had enough injuries to explain it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Witten with the false start from the 2-inch line and the game on the line.

 

[data]

Coughlin is a HOF coach, certainly.
But he's not a better coach than Tomlin, IMO.
He has two rings, sure.
He also has a 53% career winning percentage and has as many 8-8 or worse seasons as he does winning seasons.
Meanwhile Tomlin has a ring, two Super Bowl appearances and has never had a losing record.
And boasts a 65.7% career winning percentage.
Not to mention he's coaching a 10-0 team at the moment.

Coughlin took over an expansion team and succeeded with Brunell and Manning

Tomlin took over a recent Super Bowl winner and has only coached Roethlisberger.

 

[bbgun]

Witten with the false start from the 2-inch line and the game on the line.

redeemed

 

[data]

Chiefs should take TO

 

[Cowboysrock55]

redeemed

By barely catching a one yard pass with a DE in man coverage...

 

[data]

redeemed

It’s perfect for him

2 yards in air and no RAC

 

[data]

75 yards in 1:15

Damn this is the NFL today.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Coughlin took over an expansion team and succeeded with Brunell and Manning

Tomlin took over a recent Super Bowl winner and has only coached Roethlisberger.

Good on Tom for succeeding with less than elite QBs.
I'm not going to knock Tomlin for having Roethlisberger, though.
That team has had to re-invent itself a couple of times, and has stayed a consistent contender.
The longevity and consistency of Tomlin's run is why I put him above Coughlin, who had excellent high points as a coach, but his low points were really low, and with him it was a coin flip year to year as to if his team was going to be good or not.
I'll say again, Coughlin is a HOF coach. I thought NY was foolish to move on from him when they did.
I just disagree as far as Tomlin vs Coughlin is concerned.

 

[Simpleton]

I said during the week that this game would tell me a lot about our team and whether or not we would be a toss-up to win the division or be solidly entrenched in the top 5 of the draft.

One or two solid performances (Eagles/Steelers) can be a fluke, three in a row is a trend, especially when we more or less outplayed an undefeated Pittsburgh team and then beat Minnesota who was probably one of the hotter teams in the league over the last month.

Needless to say the Sewell dream is over, although that was probably true whether we won or lost today because the Bengals aren't winning another game with Ryan Finley at QB.

I'd still trade 6-10 and a division title for the 3rd pick and Sewell any day but it's at least nice to see guys like Wilson and Gallimore settling in as possible long-term answers on defense, along with guys like LVE and Lawrence re-emerging. Obviously our offensive potential is through the roof once we get Prescott and the OL back and it's nice to see that re-affirmed by putting up 30 on a solid defense with a backup QB and 2-3 backup OL.

 

[Simpleton]

I'm not even sure what I'm rooting for at this point but just look at these schedules remaining for the rest of the division:

Skins: at DAL, at PIT, at SF, SEA, CAR, at PHI
Eagles: SEA, at GB, NO, at ARI, at DAL, WAS
Giants: at CIN, at SEA, ARI, CLE, at BAL, DAL

6 wins is the absolute ceiling for any of them and it's probably 50/50 at best that any of them manage to get there. Even if we lose Thursday we probably only need to beat the Bengals (auto-win, especially if it's a Dalton homecoming) and the Eagles/Giants at the end of the year to take it.

We are the only team left with 3 divisional games, which is of course a positive given how shit it is, plus an auto-win against the Bengals. On top of that, we're the only one who actually has any sort of an impressive win outside the division against a legit team. There have only been 4 wins outside the division all year; the Skins beat Cincy but only after Burrow went out, the Eagles beat the 49ers with Garropolo out, and we beat the Falcons (fluke) but now have a win against an actual NFL team with their starting QB in the Vikings.

Funnily enough we're still in the 4 spot in the draft and if we lose to the Skins and Ravens the odds of us winning the division might be roughly equal as the odds of us getting a top 5 pick.

 

[Rev]

With the game on the line how does Kelce get that open?

 

[Genghis Khan]

I'm not even sure what I'm rooting for at this point but just look at these schedules remaining for the rest of the division:

Skins: at DAL, at PIT, at SF, SEA, CAR, at PHI
Eagles: SEA, at GB, NO, at ARI, at DAL, WAS
Giants: at CIN, at SEA, ARI, CLE, at BAL, DAL

6 wins is the absolute ceiling for any of them and it's probably 50/50 at best that any of them manage to get there. Even if we lose Thursday we probably only need to beat the Bengals (auto-win, especially if it's a Dalton homecoming) and the Eagles/Giants at the end of the year to take it.

We are the only team left with 3 divisional games, which is of course a positive given how shit it is, plus an auto-win against the Bengals. On top of that, we're the only one who actually has any sort of an impressive win outside the division against a legit team. There have only been 4 wins outside the division all year; the Skins beat Cincy but only after Burrow went out, the Eagles beat the 49ers with Garropolo out, and we beat the Falcons (fluke) but now have a win against an actual NFL team with their starting QB in the Vikings.

Funnily enough we're still in the 4 spot in the draft and if we lose to the Skins and Ravens the odds of us winning the division might be roughly equal as the odds of us getting a top 5 pick.

Jesus. Looking at those schedules it's pretty unlikely any of them win more than 2 or 3 at most, and that's giving each of them the benefit of the doubt in every matchup.

By contrast we might have 4 wins left - Cincinnati, NYG, Washington and Philly.

I'd say we're the favorite to win the division.