Archer: Comparing Cowboys, Pats take on QBs

Carp said:

He will not be cut. You can keep 3 QBs on the roster. Even if they get nothing for him though, he was a contingency plan that did not have to be used because Brady stayed healthy.

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So we should just sign Mallet to replace Romo next offseason...

Genghis Khan said:

So you are saying we should have taken Manziel. I hear you.

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Absolutely not. A QB yes. Manzeil no.

hstour said:

But wasn't Mallett a wasted pick? He's playing out the final year of his rookie contract with never having become the starter. Maybe that pick that contributed as a starter would have been enough to push them to a win over NY in the SB that year. They only lost by 4 points.

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Making way too much sense.

Cowboysrock55 said:

So we should just sign Mallet to replace Romo next offseason...

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Someone will sign him in 2016.

hstour said:

But wasn't Mallett a wasted pick? He's playing out the final year of his rookie contract with never having become the starter. Maybe that pick that contributed as a starter would have been enough to push them to a win over NY in the SB that year. They only lost by 4 points.

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His salary was cheaper than they would have paid for a backup, and at Brady's age you never know how much longer he will be a QB god. In any case he may still get traded before camp and get them back a pick.

Also, I don't see anyone in the third round of the 2011 draft that would be the kind of difference maker you're talking about.

Clay_Allison said:

His salary was cheaper than they would have paid for a backup, and at Brady's age you never know how much longer he will be a QB god. In any case he may still get traded before camp and get them back a pick.

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They are 8 million under the cap, and the extra money for a legit backup is worth it compared with starting an NFL neophyte on a team with playoff aspirations-- that setup just never made sense! I mean, was Mallett supposed to just take over as if he never had any NFL growing pains? Holy shit that's stupid.

A real backup has been and is still what they need. Fortunately so far Brady's good health has spared them from having to start Mallett.

Three seasons, 1 of 4 for 17 yards and -9 yards rushing. By every measure Ryan Mallett has been a wasted pick.

hstour said:

But wasn't Mallett a wasted pick? He's playing out the final year of his rookie contract with never having become the starter. Maybe that pick that contributed as a starter would have been enough to push them to a win over NY in the SB that year. They only lost by 4 points.

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If he was a first rounder? Maybe you could make that case.

Look, we draft second string TEs in the same round that Mallett was and our starting TE might end up outlasting Escobust just like he did Martellus Bennett.

ravidubey said:

They are 8 million under the cap, and the extra money for a legit backup is worth it compared with starting an NFL neophyte on a team with playoff aspirations-- that setup just never made sense! I mean, was Mallett supposed to just take over as if he never had any NFL growing pains? Holy shit that's stupid.

A real backup has been and is still what they need. Fortunately so far Brady's good health has spared them from having to start Mallett.

Three seasons, 1 of 4 for 17 yards and -9 yards rushing. By every measure Ryan Mallett has been a wasted pick.

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When you have an old QB like Brady you never know when it's going to be time for his retirement, and there isn't always an Andrew Luck in the draft if you go into the tank. Sometimes when you get an insurance policy you end up not cashing it in.

Also, having a guy win your backup QB job and hold it for 4 years is above average performance considering only 3 other quality starters came out of that round after Mallett in 2011, plus one more in the top of the 4th.

Also, would you consider it a wasted pick if they got their pick back from the Texans? That still might happen.

ravidubey said:

They are 8 million under the cap, and the extra money for a legit backup is worth it compared with starting an NFL neophyte on a team with playoff aspirations-- that setup just never made sense! I mean, was Mallett supposed to just take over as if he never had any NFL growing pains? Holy shit that's stupid.

A real backup has been and is still what they need. Fortunately so far Brady's good health has spared them from having to start Mallett.

Three seasons, 1 of 4 for 17 yards and -9 yards rushing. By every measure Ryan Mallett has been a wasted pick.

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Wrong.

Clay_Allison said:

Also, would you consider it a wasted pick if they got their pick back from the Texans? That still might happen.

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Only if the Texans were stupid. They already used a 2014 4th rounder on Tom Savage and have Ryan Fitzpatrick starting. They know New England thinks so highly of Mallett that they want to trade his ass despite having a 37 year old starter.

Better to let Brady die on the vine and draft a 1st round QB the following year. Ryan Mallett dropped into the 3rd round because he sucks, and it would be stupid to think he could just step in and win any meaningful stretch of games the way Brady does.

Meanwhile Jordan Cameron and Julius Thomas were each drafted after Mallett. Might have made a difference given what's been happening to their other TE's.

Carp said:

Wrong.

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Very concise counterpoint. A waste of a post, but very, very concise. They are actively trying to trade this guy and can't get a thing. He hasn't played a down. How else do you qualify a waste?

ravidubey said:

They know New England thinks so highly of Mallett that they want to trade his ass despite having a 37 year old starter.

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I don't get the sense at all that they are desperate to trade him, not sure where you're hearing that. The only reason they should want to trade him is the fact they'll get nothing if he walks next year to a place where he can compete for a starting job.

Ryan Mallett dropped into the 3rd round because he sucks, and it would be stupid to think he could just step in and win any meaningful stretch of games the way Brady does.

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Ryan Mallett dropped into the 3rd because of character red flags, not talent. There's no reason for you to be so certain that he can't play without seeing him. Mind you, I don't think he'll be Brady, but he's a big guy with a monster arm. His nickname around here during the 2011 draft, Redneck Bledsoe, is IMO pretty accurate. I could see him being a Joe Flacco type of QB.

They are not actively trying to trade him...matter of fact Belichick came out and said just that. So again, you are wrong...he has value to an alltimer...not you. I know who I am going with.

Carp said:

They are not actively trying to trade him...matter of fact Belichick came out and said just that. So again, you are wrong...he has value to an alltimer...not you. I know who I am going with.

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Holy crap...

Where did all these Texans rumors com from?

Why did the Pats draft another QB in the 2nd round? Because they had confidence in Ryan Mallett?

Reports of the Houston Texans' interest in New England Patriots backup quarterback Ryan Mallett began surfacing in early March and have yet to subside.

In a Thursday interview with SiriusXM NFL Radio, Bill Belichick did his best to put the rumors to rest.

A Mallett trade is "not something we're that interested in," Belichick said.

The subtle inclusion of the word "that" stops short of an outright denial of Mallett's availability.

"We feel like we have a good quarterback situation," Belichick continued. " ... That's not a good position to not feel good about."

What's not to feel good about? Second-round pick Jimmy Garappolo is a developmental prospect, but the Patriots are counting on him to be ready to back up Tom Brady by the time Mallett's contract runs out next offseason.

If the Texans or another team wants Belichick to forfeit his quarterback insurance, they are going to have to meet his asking price.

The latest "Around The League Podcast" breaks down the latest news and shares takeaways from rookie camps.

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ravidubey said:

Holy crap...

Where did all these Texans rumors com from?

Why did the Pats draft another QB in the 2nd round? Because they had confidence in Ryan Mallett?

Reports of the Houston Texans' interest in New England Patriots backup quarterback Ryan Mallett began surfacing in early March and have yet to subside.

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So yeah...they are not actively trying to trade...which is what you said. If someone offers the moon, of course they will do it. Huge difference.

ravidubey said:

Holy crap...

Where did all these Texans rumors com from?

Why did the Pats draft another QB in the 2nd round? Because they had confidence in Ryan Mallett?

Reports of the Houston Texans' interest in New England Patriots backup quarterback Ryan Mallett began surfacing in early March and have yet to subside.

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Because Mallett is going to be a free agent next year and he's going to want to go to a team that will let him compete for a starting job. You don't have to be a genius to figure that one out. In the meantime they don't want to trust a rookie from a small school to be the backup QB on day one if they can help it so they are going to redshirt Garoppolo and let him learn the system. Then they'll have him as the backup for 3 years unless Brady retires.

It baffles me why anyone who was a Cowboys fan during the Quinthy period would actually approve and endorse Jerrys strategy of waiting until you absolutely must to draft a qb

jsmith6919 said:

It baffles me why anyone who was a Cowboys fan during the Quinthy period would actually approve and endorse Jerrys strategy of waiting until you absolutely must to draft a qb

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Who is doing that?

NoDak said:

Who is doing that?

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It might seem like Ravid is but I don't think he is. He just has a fuming hatred for all things Ryan Mallett.

jsmith6919 said:

It baffles me why anyone who was a Cowboys fan during the Quinthy period would actually approve and endorse Jerrys strategy of waiting until you absolutely must to draft a qb

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Dallas lacked a 1st round pick that year.

Simple facts:

Almost every starting QB in the NFL came from the first two rounds.

If you draft a player that high, he must start by his sophomore season at the latest. If not, then you've developed that player for someone else.

Like New England did.

ravidubey said:

Dallas lacked a 1st round pick that year.

Simple facts:

Almost every starting QB in the NFL came from the first two rounds.

If you draft a player that high, he must start by his sophomore season at the latest. If not, then you've developed that player for someone else.

Like New England did.

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Not a fact

Even if the Pats end up not getting a pick back for Mallett they still have had a cheap backup.

ravidubey said:

Dallas lacked a 1st round pick that year.

Simple facts:

Almost every starting QB in the NFL came from the first two rounds.

If you draft a player that high, he must start by his sophomore season at the latest. If not, then you've developed that player for someone else.

Like New England did.

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Brady was the same age Romo is now when they drafted him. On top of that, their top decision maker is Belichick. If the team tanks for a year all those losses go on his W-L record. That's a good enough reason for him to always want a guy on hand that he thinks can have a Matt Cassell-like year in Brady's absence.

IMO, they probably did end up developing Mallett for someone else. Teams were sniffing around McDaniels this offseason. If he leaves he probably signs Mallett as a free agent. Sometimes you buy an insurance policy and don't have to cash it in. Doesn't mean insurance is always a bad thing to have.