2022 Season | Divisional Round Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys @ 49ers | 1/22/23

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[bbgun]

Well, we were smart to run Murray into the ground and let him go. He never experienced the same level of success anywhere else.

 

[p1_]

Surely you know why. They thoudgt Murray was past his prime and wanted a younger running back. That was knocked around for weeks on this board. Why pose these kind of question? Still Murray in his prime was a better running than Elliot.

Two franchise backs. Both major contributors to offensive success with their respective rosters.

Contract renewal time comes, when performance is rewarded. One is shown the door after setting a franchise single season rushing high. The other, allegedly less talented, is awarded the bank and a franchise record level contract for a running back.

Makes perfect sense.

 

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Well, we were smart to run Murray into the ground and let him go. He never experienced the same level of success anywhere else.

he had a really good first season with Tennessee, actually.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, we were smart to run Murray into the ground and let him go. He never experienced the same level of success anywhere else.

Definitely. Garrett wanted to re-sign him but fortunately Stephen said no.

I assume the difference with Elliott is that, according to everyone I've heard, he's a primary Jerry pet. Not sure why, maybe it's as simple as his being a #4 overall pick and Jerry not wanting to let that go.

 

[NoDak]

How old was Zeke when given the contract, and how old was Murray when given the door? I’m too lazy to look it up.

 

[bbgun]

Contract renewal time comes, when performance is rewarded. One is shown the door after setting a franchise single season rushing high. The other, allegedly less talented, is awarded the bank and a franchise record level contract for a running back.

Yes, but Zeke was 24 when he got paid. Murray was 27 when we let him go.

 

[Texas Ace]

Yes, but Zeke was 24 when he got paid. Murray was 27 when we let him go.

Not only that, but Zeke was a top 5 pick whereas Murray was a 3rd round guy.

Zeke was so dynamic his first few years as well so I think the combination of both those things led to organization valuing Zeke more as they saw way more upside and talent in him.

That's my guess, anyway.

 

[bbgun]

Not sure why, maybe it's as simple as his being a #4 overall pick and Jerry not wanting to let that go.

Absolutely. A top 5 pick not seeing a second contract is a minor disaster. Gmen are gonna have the same dilemma with Barkley.

 

[Texas Ace]

Absolutely. A top 5 pick not seeing a second contract is a minor disaster. Gmen are gonna have the same dilemma with Barkley.

Yeah, the investment part of it was definitely a big factor.

 

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Two franchise backs. Both major contributors to offensive success with their respective rosters.

Contract renewal time comes, when performance is rewarded. One is shown the door after setting a franchise single season rushing high. The other, allegedly less talented, is awarded the bank and a franchise record level contract for a running back.

Makes perfect sense.

Im guessing Zeke held out partly because he saw what we did to Demarco Murray.

Demarco Murray’s final year with us was age 26. With Ezekiel and the 5Yr rookie contract, he’d be 25 at its conclusion.

 

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Zeke was 3 seasons in, Murray had just completed his 4th. Murray had approximately 70 more carries at the same point.

 

[Cujo]

Two franchise backs. Both major contributors to offensive success with their respective rosters.

Contract renewal time comes, when performance is rewarded. One is shown the door after setting a franchise single season rushing high. The other, allegedly less talented, is awarded the bank and a franchise record level contract for a running back.

Makes perfect sense.

Pretty sure Murray had only 2 seasons dating back to his junior year in college in which he didn't miss games due to injury. He showed out in a contract year but he was asking for 10 mill a year and the consensus was, he wasn't worth it due to all the injuries. IIRC, he also broke the 380 carries barrier in 2014 which most rbs-unless their name is Eric or Adrian- are never productive afterwards. And that was proven true because he never did shit in Philly and had one marginally productive season in Indy (?).
Clearly, we shouldn't have given Zeke another contract either and I'm on the fence about TP in light of the injury he just suffered and his inability to sustain a heavy workload. I'm a firm believer in putting that money into the o line and draft another rb every couple or 3 years in the middle rounds. Their shelf life is too damn short.

 

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Pretty sure Murray had only 2 seasons dating back to his junior year in college in which he didn't miss games due to injury. He showed out in a contract year but he was asking for 10 mill a year and the consensus was, he wasn't worth it due to all the injuries. IIRC, he also broke the 380 carries barrier in 2014 which most rbs-unless their name is Eric or Adrian- are never productive afterwards. And that was proven true because he never did shit in Philly and had one marginally productive season in Indy (?).
Clearly, we shouldn't have given Zeke another contract either and I'm on the fence about TP in light of the injury he just suffered and his inability to sustain a heavy workload. I'm a firm believer in putting that money into the o line and draft another rb every couple or 3 years in the middle rounds. Their shelf life is too damn short.

The year after Philly was pretty damned good:

Carries - 293

Yards - 1,287

Ave - 4.4

TDs - 9

Long - 75

 

[bbgun]

Clearly, we shouldn't have given Zeke another contract either

He was a top 5 pick, young, and had been wildly successful. If anyone deserved an extension, it was him. Nobody could have anticipated such a massive falloff.

 

[Texas Ace]

The year after Philly was pretty damned good:

Carries - 293

Yards - 1,287

Ave - 4.4

TDs - 9

Long - 75

Yeah and I knew that season at Philly was an anomaly because he was being used completely wrong in that system.

That was that spread them out and run sideways outside of the tackles Chip Kelly nonsense.

He looked really good in Tennessee going back to more conventional style running.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Two franchise backs. Both major contributors to offensive success with their respective rosters.

Contract renewal time comes, when performance is rewarded. One is shown the door after setting a franchise single season rushing high. The other, allegedly less talented, is awarded the bank and a franchise record level contract for a running back.

Makes perfect sense.

Remember it’s Jerry Jones at the helm. And Dallas is really getting their moneys worth in Elliot.

 

[L.T. Fan]

How old was Zeke when given the contract, and how old was Murray when given the door? I’m too lazy to look it up.

That’s a factor but being renewed isn’t my current argument. Now It’s who was the better running back During their tenure with the Cowboys. I say Murray was the better of the two.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

He was a top 5 pick, young, and had been wildly successful. If anyone deserved an extension, it was him. Nobody could have anticipated such a massive falloff.

Yeah, my problem is and always was, why extend a guy you have control over for 5 years after only 3. Truth is the guy threw a baby fit and the Cowboys caved. Had we waited until year 5 it was evident that his skills were starting to diminish. He didn't break 1000 yards that season. His average per carry had dipped to 4.0 ypc. And if we chose to resign him at that point his cost would have been significantly lower. But we severely jumped the gun for no reason. You should never jump the gun with the RB. And even if we drafted a guy in the first round this year, I'd let him play for 5 before ever considering an extension.

 

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It’s who was the better running back During their tenure with the Cowboys.

So Murray’s Cowboys tenure vs Zekes first 4 seasons . Is that your contention?