2022 Season | Divisional Round Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys @ 49ers | 1/22/23

[Sheik]

The problem is Burrow went 1 and Herbert went 6, it would've been impossible to trade up for Burrow and most likely impossible to trade up for Herbert.

If Bryce Young for example fell to like 8 this year I'd be all over trading up for him, but that's obviously never going to happen because he'll probably go 1st and definitely top 3.

Giving up an entire draft to move up for Will Levis or Anthony Richardson has like a 10% chance at turning into Josh Allen and a 90% chance of us being awful for 3+ years at a minimum.

For sure. It’s inevitable that within the next few years we’ll be picking in the 10-14 range at some point, just based on parity. If we can move up from there with the intent of selecting a QB, that’s the time to do it.

I’m fully aware of the bust potential, but I’m also not ok with the status quo.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm as frustrated as anyone about Dak, but no, you don't just trade everyone and rebuild from scratch hoping you get that next great qb.

Truth is, there are only a few of those in the league at any one time, and even with high draft picks your odds of hitting on one are very long. Who was the last elite QB KC had? Ancient Joe Montana? It was a lot more than ten years before Mahomes came along.

 

[Simpleton]

For sure. It’s inevitable that within the next few years we’ll be picking in the 10-14 range at some point, just based on parity. If we can move up from there with the intent of selecting a QB, that’s the time to do it.

I’m fully aware of the bust potential, but I’m also not ok with the status quo.

If we're in that spot then definitely, I wouldn't even bat an eye if we traded Dak in March and basically tanked for Drake Maye (not Caleb Williams who I think is going to be a broke ass Kyler Murray wannabe) because I think he very well might be that next franchise guy.

With that said, it'll never happen, so in lieu of that the front office should make some (or one) all-in moves in FA to actually go for it.

It's not a coincidence that the remaining 4 teams all have made big FA moves/trades in the last 1-2 years. KC with Thuney, the Bengals with an assortment of OL, the Eagles with Brown, Slay, Reddick, etc., and the 49ers trading for McCaffrey.

Dak isn't an elite QB so he isn't going to draft an above average roster all the way. Fuck the cap and go after someone like Dre'Mont Jones or ideally Da'Ron Payne in FA and try to build an overwhelmingly dominant defense that he can "game manager" his way through the playoffs.

 

[data]

Giving up an entire draft to move up for Will Levis or Anthony Richardson has like a 10% chance at turning into Josh Allen and a 90% chance of us being awful for 3+ years at a minimum.

Status quo has landed us at 18.75% chance of being one of three teams to fail NFCC appearance the last 35 years.

 

[Sheik]

If we're in that spot then definitely, I wouldn't even bat an eye if we traded Dak in March and basically tanked for Drake Maye (not Caleb Williams who I think is going to be a broke ass Kyler Murray wannabe) because I think he very well might be that next franchise guy.

With that said, it'll never happen, so in lieu of that the front office should make some (or one) all-in moves in FA to actually go for it.

It's not a coincidence that the remaining 4 teams all have made big FA moves/trades in the last 1-2 years. KC with Thuney, the Bengals with an assortment of OL, the Eagles with Brown, Slay, Reddick, etc., and the 49ers trading for McCaffrey.

Dak isn't an elite QB so he isn't going to draft an above average roster all the way. Fuck the cap and go after someone like Dre'Mont Jones or ideally Da'Ron Payne in FA and try to build an overwhelmingly dominant defense that he can "game manager" his way through the playoffs.

How do you feel about that Michigan QB?

 

[Simpleton]

I'm as frustrated as anyone about Dak, but no, you don't just trade everyone and rebuild from scratch hoping you get that next great qb.

Truth is, there are only a few of those in the league at any one time, and even with high draft picks your odds of hitting on one are very long. Who was the last elite QB KC had? Ancient Joe Montana? It was a lot more than ten years before Mahomes came along.

Yea, what pisses me off more than anything is the indecisiveness and lack of aggressiveness.

Tanking for Maye might actually make a lot of sense, but it's also something that doesn't happen in the NFL and certainly not with a team that was a few bounces (or injury) from the NFCC.

So instead of pretending like Dak is going to morph into Mahomes one day and carry us to the Super Bowl, get aggressive in FA and let him Brad Johnson his way through the playoffs.

 

[Simpleton]

How do you feel about that Michigan QB?

Seems to be a product of their run-first system, he's protected with all the play-action they do, but he made some throws against TCU that were impressive besides the terrible INT's of course. We'll see how he looks next year since he's still pretty young but he doesn't strike me as an elite prospect yet.

 

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~lays flowers on 2022 season~

@Genghis Khan

 

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[Plan9Misfit]

So effectively tank for 5-10 years hoping we strike lightning with a QB in the top 10 as opposed to trying to close a 7-point gap that was mostly determined by about 3 plays?

Got it.

It's hard to accept because of how bad Jerry is but the disappointments of the last 30 years have very little bearing on this particular roster.

And pretty much everybody around the NFL has talked about the 6 teams that were left today (Bills, Bengals, Chiefs, Eagles, 49ers and us) as the clear best 6 in the league. It's pretty much obvious that this team is one of the best 6-7 in the league right now, that doesn't guarantee anything in terms of results, but you don't just tear that down for a hope and a prayer.

The "tank forever" plan can be enacted anytime.

I think we need to employ the “no roster position is safe, and we’re always looking to upgrade” mentality. Seeing that the Clampett’s won’t hold anyone directly accountable, drafting eventual replacements would be the next best thing. But, well, yeah…

 

[Sheik]

Totally off topic, but it blows my mind that Peyton and Eli have the same amount of SB wins.

And Peyton was along for the ride on his 2nd one. Crazy.

 

[data]

The problem is Burrow went 1 and Herbert went 6, it would've been impossible to trade up for Burrow and most likely impossible to trade up for Herbert.

If Bryce Young for example fell to like 8 this year I'd be all over trading up for him, but that's obviously never going to happen because he'll probably go 1st and definitely top 3.

Giving up an entire draft to move up for Will Levis or Anthony Richardson has like a 10% chance at turning into Josh Allen and a 90% chance of us being awful for 3+ years at a minimum.

I shudder to think what we’d end up with if we drafted a 1st round QB drafted after Top 10.

We don’t know a fucking thing about drafting QBs. Our best case is being, yes, fortunate with 4th for Dak Prescott. Other than that, in the last 10 years, all we’ve got is their desire to draft Paxton Lynch and Manziel.

Before that, whatever fuck games they were playing with Hutchinson, Drew Henson and Quincy.

What does this team know about seriously evaluating QBs to draft?

 

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Lost in all this is Tyler & Tyron doing a fantastic job shutting down Nick Bosa.

 

[Sheik]

Jerry Jones supposedly feels bad for us fans.

I read that quote a minute ago and I feel much better now.

 

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Jerry Jones supposedly feels bad for us fans.

I read that quote a minute ago and I feel much better now.

He wants it for us fans more than for himself.

 

[Sheik]

Lost in all this is Tyler & Tyron doing a fantastic job shutting down Nick Bosa.

Literally everyone did a great job today besides Dak, you could say Gallup also I guess.

Samuel was held to like 60 total yards. McCaffery was bottled up for most of the game. The defense was stellar. Maher hit his fg attempts. CeeDee showed up. Dollar store Travis Kelce scored. The offensive line was good.

It all boils down to Dak. He just wasn’t good at any point today outside of a few throws and a few runs.

 

[Sheik]

SF seems QB rich right now with Jimmy G, Lance and Purdy.

I hope they put all their eggs in Purdy’s basket and cut JG and trade Lance. They go from thinking they have 3 starting caliber QBs to having none in the span of one season.

I still think Purdy flames out. Probably next week. Then everyone has tape to study of what he does and doesn’t do well. Cinderella story over. 9ers come out if this with no QB.

That would awesome.

 

[Smitty]

The problem is Burrow went 1 and Herbert went 6, it would've been impossible to trade up for Burrow and most likely impossible to trade up for Herbert.

If Bryce Young for example fell to like 8 this year I'd be all over trading up for him, but that's obviously never going to happen because he'll probably go 1st and definitely top 3.

Giving up an entire draft to move up for Will Levis or Anthony Richardson has like a 10% chance at turning into Josh Allen and a 90% chance of us being awful for 3+ years at a minimum.

Well you can’t be stupid about it, but the price to move up usually isn’t a whole draft, it would be like two firsts and change.

So to start offsetting those costs we should start planning now. Trade out of the first for extra capital. Hell, if the “first for a second and future first,” deal is on the table, take it.

 

[Smitty]

Literally everyone did a great job today besides Dak, you could say Gallup also I guess.

Samuel was held to like 60 total yards. McCaffery was bottled up for most of the game. The defense was stellar. Maher hit his fg attempts. CeeDee showed up. Dollar store Travis Kelce scored. The offensive line was good.

It all boils down to Dak. He just wasn’t good at any point today outside of a few throws and a few runs.

He didn’t do literally anything. He played like a journeyman scrub.

What exactly are we afraid of losing? We could replace what Dak did today with a free agent in any offseason. Spare me the “it could be ten years” fear mongering.

 

[shoop]

You have to be smarter. It’s the safe, lazy thing to throw a huge contract at the guy because you drafted him, you know him, and it’s comfortable.

This is the crux of the matter. The team has been doing this for over a decade now. Refuse to sign anything over a low-lower mid tier FA and completely over value guys they have drafted.