2022 Season | Divisional Round Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys @ 49ers | 1/22/23

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Reportedly Micah Parsons said defense didn’t have the big plays, but limiting CMC and Deebo to what they did, we should’ve won still and especially without the two INTs

that’ll get blown up

 

[Simpleton]

I don’t think Dak is better than Eli was frankly. Eli played up in the playoffs and Dak doesn’t.

Sure, Dak is superior to Foles, Flacco and broken down Peyton. Is that what we are going for?

We need to stop deluding ourselves that this “above average” teams we keep putting out there will get over the hump. We need our real franchise QB.

And why don't you tell us where to get one?

You want to tank next year when we should very reasonably expect to be a top 5-7 team in the league?

Or do you want us to give up a whole draft to move up into the top 10?

I'd be fine moving up in a Mahomes-like scenario, but that's a massive risk in and of itself.

It'd be one thing if we were winning 7 games a year but you can't throw the baby out with the bath water to chase a franchise QB (i.e. a top 5 QB in the league) for 7 years on end.

 

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So that number includes his accelerated money, right? Dak's 40 mil per season, does not. The rest of his guaranteed money would come due immediately, right? And if both of these are correct, then their 18% you brought up would not still be the same. Because Daks 18% is only his salary as it stands now. And doesn't include the rest pushed forward along with it if he's cut or traded.

This year we’re fucked. $40M is after 2023 season’s conclusion. So, if we were to pull a Howie Roseman timeline, this offseason is the year you draft/acquire your Jalen Hurts and Spring 2024 is when you trade Dak/Wentz. 2026 is NFCCG.

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[Simpleton]

This year we’re fucked. $40M is after 2023 season’s conclusion. So, if we were to pull a Howie Roseman timeline, this offseason is the year you draft/acquire your Jalen Hurts and Spring 2024 is when you trade Dak/Wentz. 2026 is NFCCG.

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And in what world do we have the coaching staff to completely reorient the offense around a run-first QB, similar to what the Ravens did?

What the Eagles are doing right now is a very short-term solution. It may end up in a Super Bowl, it may not, but I do know for damn sure that unless Hurts miraculously develops into a QB who can win with his arm first, second and third, they're going to be right back to a .500 team in about 2 years.

 

[Cujo]

Reportedly Micah Parsons said defense didn’t have the big plays, but limiting CMC and Deebo to what they did, we should’ve won still and especially without the two INTs

that’ll get blown up

He's not wrong.

 

[Smitty]

And why don't you tell us where to get one?

I will start by telling you where you are not gonna get one.

It'd be one thing if we were winning 7 games a year but you can't throw the baby out with the bath water to chase a franchise QB (i.e. a top 5 QB in the league) for 7 years on end.

Sure I can. This isn’t working. It hasn’t worked for two generations (Romo, then Prescott).

You are fooling yourself to think there is a baby that is getting thrown out. This is what Jerry is thinking and it is THE problem. We have to stop trying to win next year all the time and start trying to win in 5 years. Trying to win next year isn’t working. We have to trade Herschel Walker and get our asset motherload.

The teams with the top end QBs win most of the Super Bowls. That’s the class we need to get into. We aren’t smart enough to put together a Baltimore Ravens or loaded Rams squad.

And even if that was why we were gonna go for, we are far short of those teams who didn’t have elite QBs in terms of our talent elsewhere. Thinking unconventionally has to be on the table because you don’t get there by doing what everyone else is doing. We have to start trading our first for a second and a first the following year, etc.

The Eagles keep abusing teams in trades for future first rounders. They are a well run team. We have to start doing some of that.

 

[bbgun]

We have to stop trying to win next year all the time and start trying to win in 5 years.

Jerry is 80 and can't wait that long. So "win now" it is.

 

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And in what world do we have the coaching staff to completely reorient the offense around a run-first QB, similar to what the Ravens did?

What the Eagles are doing right now is a very short-term solution. It may end up in a Super Bowl, it may not, but I do know for damn sure that unless Hurts miraculously develops into a QB who can win with his arm first, second and third, they're going to be right back to a .500 team in about 2 years.

For us to do it, None of it is possible with the Jones’.

As for the Eagles in 2 years, they’ll probably offload Hurts for multiple picks, draft/sign his replacement and press repeat.

 

[Simpleton]

I realize that Cowboys fans have become deranged over these last 30 years, although if we're being honest with ourselves just making an NFCC isn't going to do much of anything for those that lose their shit any time something goes sideways (i.e. after the season finale against the Skins), it'll just be that we haven't been to a Super Bowl in X years, or we haven't won one in Y years.

But the fact of the matter is this team is widely regarded as one of the best in the league, there was very little separating them from the 1 seed Eagles this year over 17 games, and there was very little separating them today from the 49ers who everybody and their mother has been orgasming over for weeks about how talented and tough they are.

Dak played like shit, yes, the 2 INT's were inexcusable, but the game was played to a standstill more or less and came down to about 3-5 plays that could've gone either way. You could even argue that we outplayed them in the first half until the offense went completely in the tank after one of our literal only two playmakers on offense broke his leg.

This is on the road against probably the best defense in the league and arguably the most well designed offensive scheme in the league.

These things happen in the NFL, last week the Bengals probably should've lost as Burrow was outplayed at home by Tyler Huntley. If not for a fluke fumble on the 1 yard line that was returned 99 for a TD the Bengals are likely out, yet here they are in the AFCC.

Shit happens, Dak is only above average, but you don't throw away a team that is one of the few who can realistically consider themselves Super Bowl contenders in 2023 so you can hope and pray that you're bad enough to luck into an elite QB at some point in who knows how many years.

 

[Simpleton]

I will start by telling you where you are not gonna get one.



Sure I can. This isn’t working. It hasn’t worked for two generations (Romo, then Prescott).

You are fooling yourself to think there is a baby that is getting thrown out. This is what Jerry is thinking and it is THE problem. We have to stop trying to win next year all the time and start trying to win in 5 years. Trying to win next year isn’t working. We have to trade Herschel Walker and get our asset motherload.

The teams with the top end QBs win most of the Super Bowls. That’s the class we need to get into. We aren’t smart enough to put together a Baltimore Ravens or loaded Rams squad.

And even if that was why we were gonna go for, we are far short of those teams who didn’t have elite QBs in terms of our talent elsewhere. Thinking unconventionally has to be on the table because you don’t get there by doing what everyone else is doing. We have to start trading our first for a second and a first the following year, etc.

The Eagles keep abusing teams in trades for future first rounders. They are a well run team. We have to start doing some of that.

So the plan is to suck for an indefinite period of time and try to accumulate as many first round picks as possible and see what happens?

I realize that you're very upset over the last 30 years and want something to hope for but no general manager in the NFL would ever do something like this with a roster/team that played how we did this season.

Of course it could work if the chips fall right with an elite QB, or it could put you into a never ending 10-year cycle of 5-12.

 

[Smitty]

Jerry is 80 and can't wait that long. So "win now" it is.

Well with Jerry it’s always about him and not about what the best way to build a winner is. So we suffer.

 

[bbgun]

30 years

Shit happens

that's a lot of shit

btw, anyone who thinks this team just needs a little "fine tuning" can go fuck themselves

 

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And in what world do we have the coaching staff to completely reorient the offense around a run-first QB, similar to what the Ravens did?

It’s maddening. Jerruh is such an unflinching pioneer.

• Can’t hire a college coach and get SBs
• Can’t trade your only good player for draft picks
• Can’t buck the NFL and sign Nike

Yet he can’t just let the team be without his stink.

When the game passed Tom Landry, at least he could be fired. God is too entertained watching Jerruh to fire Jerruh from living.

 

[UncleMilti]

the offense is in need of lots of change, and until we realize this and do something about it, its is the best were gonna get from them.

Offense needs a lot of speed, and a couple power/speed RBs behind Pollard.

Was fun laughing all night at Dak. Decent performance by the D wasted that bum. He’s too inconsistent. And he was outplayed by a rookie.

 

[bbgun]

Was fun laughing all night at Dak. Decent performance by the D wasted that bum. He’s too inconsistent. And he was outplayed by a rookie.

had we started Rush, and he played a safe non-turnover game like Purdy, we probably would have prevailed

 

[Simpleton]

that's a lot of shit

btw, anyone who thinks this team just needs a little "fine tuning" can go fuck themselves

What happened in 2018, let alone in 2016, 2014, 2007, or whatever else has no bearing on this particular team/roster.

They lost a tight game on the road against what is widely considered to be a top 3-4 team in the league with the QB playing like shit and our 2nd best skill position player out for the 2nd half, basically leaving us with no viable running game.

What do you think is the higher probability play?

Sucking for 5-10 years and rolling the dice on a QB every 3-4 years or trying to get Dak to stop throwing INT's, which he historically hasn't done much of?

Of course we can always just go into the "tank forever" plan after another year or two of Dak.

 

[Smitty]

But the fact of the matter is this team is widely regarded as one of the best in the league

No, it isn’t. It’s only Cowboys fans who keep telling themselves that. The Cowboys are seen as a team that always gets way overhyped for how good they actually are, which is never much better than about a wild card team.

And we fulfill that expectation just about every year.

We aren’t as good as you think we are and neither is Dak. You’d think after 8 years it would start to become clear.

This isn’t a Super Bowl winner who just has to wait for Lightning to strike. This is a not good enough player and team who would need an amount of luck so massive to get over the hump that it’s foolish to hope for.

We aren’t in the same class as the Bengals, Bills, Chiefs, or 49ers, who have now rolled us out of the playoffs twice in a row. Scoreboard. It speaks for itself. They are better than us.

If we were smart we would admit it and set out to build a team that is good enough instead of just running it back with tweaks every year. But to do that you’d have to have some insight and some patience to realize there is no baby that you are throwing out the next two seasons and those years need to be sacrificed for the long term. Jerry is always chasing the next season though, so he’s always borrowing from the best moves to make whatever move he has to plug the current leak. And he will never ever get ahead that way. You have to win value transactions, and we don’t. We don’t win trades. We don’t win contract negotiations. We don’t win playoff games.

 

[Simpleton]

No, it isn’t. It’s only Cowboys fans who keep telling themselves that. The Cowboys are seen as a team that always gets way overhyped for how good they actually are, which is never much better than about a wild card team.

And we fulfill that expectation just about every year.

We aren’t as good as you think we are and neither is Dak. You’d think after 8 years it would start to become clear.

This isn’t a Super Bowl winner who just has to wait for Lightning to strike. This is a not good enough player and team who would need an amount of luck so massive to get over the hump that it’s foolish to hope for.

We aren’t in the same class as the Bengals, Bills, Chiefs, or 49ers, who have now rolled us out of the playoffs twice in a row. Scoreboard. It speaks for itself. They are better than us.

If we were smart we would admit it and set out to build a team that is good enough instead of just running it back with tweaks every year.

So effectively tank for 5-10 years hoping we strike lightning with a QB in the top 10 as opposed to trying to close a 7-point gap that was mostly determined by about 3 plays?

Got it.

It's hard to accept because of how bad Jerry is but the disappointments of the last 30 years have very little bearing on this particular roster.

And pretty much everybody around the NFL has talked about the 6 teams that were left today (Bills, Bengals, Chiefs, Eagles, 49ers and us) as the clear best 6 in the league. It's pretty much obvious that this team is one of the best 6-7 in the league right now, that doesn't guarantee anything in terms of results, but you don't just tear that down for a hope and a prayer.

The "tank forever" plan can be enacted anytime.

 

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Shit happens, Dak is only above average, but you don't throw away a team that is one of the few who can realistically consider themselves Super Bowl contenders in 2023 so you can hope and pray that you're bad enough to luck into an elite QB at some point in who knows how many years.

If only Kellen Moore would realize this and adjust his playbook as such, that’d be the biggest positive thing for this team outside of the Jones family gone.

 

[bbgun]

What happened in 2018, let alone in 2016, 2014, 2007, or whatever else has no bearing on this particular team/roster.

They lost a tight game on the road against what is widely considered to be a top 3-4 team in the league with the QB playing like shit and our 2nd best skill position player out for the 2nd half, basically leaving us with no viable running game.

What do you think is the higher probability play?

Sucking for 5-10 years and rolling the dice on a QB every 3-4 years or trying to get Dak to stop throwing INT's, which he historically hasn't done much of?

Of course we can always just go into the "tank forever" plan after another year or two of Dak.

yes, bottoming out is a much smarter strategy than making cosmetic changes and maintaining the status quo. as i said earlier, the Carrs and Cousins of the world can only get you so far. they'll gave you fantasy stats and that's it. finding a franchise QB won't be easy, but it's easier than assembling a super team around Dak.