2022 Cowboys Draft Chatter Thread...

[ravidubey]

I noticed that Jerry's talk of trading up has been interpreted as moving up in the first.

But that wasn't really what he said at all. Mention the first three rounds and moving up. He then mentioned moving up for a Frerick type at 29. Which was obviously a trade down. So I almost feel like Jerry is really hinting at moving up in the second round to get 2 guys with that late first early second area. Wouldn't be surprised if he is thinking one of these top two guards and a top WR.

Anyway, just seeing a video of his actual comment I think people are reading it incorrectly if you take it for truth.

If you ask Jerry if he’s willing to trade up, of course he’s going to say ‘yes’, short of having the first overall pick.

Any GM would

Just a non-story

 

[boozeman]

If you ask Jerry if he’s willing to trade up, of course he’s going to say ‘yes’, short of having the first overall pick.

Any GM would

Just a non-story

Yeah, it is kind of laughable that he declared that right before the draft.

That is basically like him announcing to the rest of the other NFL GMs who are accountable for their jobs that his ass is willing to rape.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Gibson was almost the low of the dark pre-Parcells days. I remember at camp Campo was asked how much Gibson weighed because the speculation was he was 400 or more. Campo in that shrieky Connecticut accent: "I don't care how much he weighs, I only care if he can move!"

Yeah, he couldn't really move.

Parcells comes in the next year and in that old school way is extremely concerned about the players' weights.

 

[boozeman]

 

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[Cowboysrock55]

As you should. I despise trading up in the first for anything besides a QB. The price is too steep and you lose all the value of a steal by doing it. If you sit back and wait and a Lamb or Parson's falls to you, awesome, you got a steal and great value. If you trade up for a guy, your trade is likely killing any value you would get in the player being available where he is.

Now in the second, third, fourth rounds that's totally different. If you see a first round talent at a position of need sitting their in the second round, then move up. The cost of moving up won't exceed the level of value or "steal" you're getting in the player.

It's like the Claiborne trade up. That guy would have had to become Jalen Ramsey just to justify using the 6th pick or whatever on him. If you have to trade up just to take a guy where he should go, what value is there in that? All you did was arrange the chairs to draft a need, but you didn't get any value in the pick. I want to take guys that are steals at every pick. The only way in my opinion to do that is to let the draft come to you and not go out and trade up for certain targets.

 

[Simpleton]

The real interesting part is who do we think falls in the category of "too good to pass up" even though they don't play a position of glaring need (at least from their perspective)?

Based on the pre-draft visits I think Jordan Davis and Devin Lloyd would definitely qualify. Probably if Stingley or Hamilton somehow fell to 24 but that's obviously very unlikely.

Aside from that we're talking all positions of need (OL, DE/edge and WR).

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The real interesting part is who do we think falls in the category of "too good to pass up" even though they don't play a position of glaring need (at least from their perspective)?

Based on the pre-draft visits I think Jordan Davis and Devin Lloyd would definitely qualify. Probably if Stingley or Hamilton somehow fell to 24 but that's obviously very unlikely.

Aside from that we're talking all positions of need (OL, DE/edge and WR).

I tend to think he means someone that wouldn't be on the 30 visits. And they keep mentioning Parsons like he fell to us and was just too good to pass up. No, we just happened to miss out on the guys we wanted to take and traded down and then he was the consolation prize.

Lamb of course was different, he was a true, OMG, he fell to us type pick. But when the Cowboys say this shit, I think you're looking sort of at a pick like Claiborne was where the Cowboys really hadn't shown their interest in him ahead of the draft. I have no idea who that would be in this draft. I guess someone like Garrett Wilson, Stingley, or Kyle Hamilton? I'm trying to think of guys with a chance to drop. Someone like the top two OT's there is zero chance they drop. And then obviously if you think it's a name on the 30 visit the two guys you listed could be possibilities. But I think odds are the Cowboys think they have a real shot at those guys at their pick.

 

[ravidubey]

I tend to think he means someone that wouldn't be on the 30 visits. And they keep mentioning Parsons like he fell to us and was just too good to pass up. No, we just happened to miss out on the guys we wanted to take and traded down and then he was the consolation prize.

Lamb of course was different, he was a true, OMG, he fell to us type pick. But when the Cowboys say this shit, I think you're looking sort of at a pick like Claiborne was where the Cowboys really hadn't shown their interest in him ahead of the draft. I have no idea who that would be in this draft. I guess someone like Garrett Wilson, Stingley, or Kyle Hamilton? I'm trying to think of guys with a chance to drop. Someone like the top two OT's there is zero chance they drop. And then obviously if you think it's a name on the 30 visit the two guys you listed could be possibilities. But I think odds are the Cowboys think they have a real shot at those guys at their pick.

Considering they jumped up to 6 to get Claiborne they must have thought he was going 3-5 overall and were shocked he wasn't.

Back then pick 6 cost picks 14 and 45. This draft probably takes picks 24, 56, and 2023 1st .

Who's that guy today that commands a trade well into the top ten...

-- maybe if Neal or Ekwonu drop? This makes the most sense. There is no one capable of being that LT for the next decade like they except Cross. Cross makes more sense and it would not take as much draft capital to move up.

-- Pass rusher? It's tempting to bring in someone who could force teams to play Lawrence and Parsons more evenly. The top three guys just ain't falling. out of the top 5. That leaves Jermaine Johnson, and I can't see that.

-- maybe the top two WR's? But can the high cost justify the drop from Wilson or London to a guy more in our range like Burks?

-- maybe the top CB's? With Dallas this is always a possibility, especially with Joseph suddenly iffy, but again the cost can't justify it. Gardner and Stingly Jr are more latter half of the top ten and so it would cost less, but still a lot.

The more I think about it, any trade up target would more likely be someone the Cowboys thinks is a top 12 guy falling down to 15-18.

Cross, Davis, Johnson, Karloftis, or maybe one of the corners or Wilson.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

if Neal or Ekwonu drop

I would bust a nut for Ekwonu to be the starting LG and future LT. He is just stupid powerful. But the cost would be way too much. Guy is going top 3. A first, second and next years first wouldn't even get you there. Guy gives off Larry Allen vibes to me though.


I can't see us giving up what it takes to go top 10. And none of the guys with a chance to fall to 15-20 are worth giving up a second for in my opinion. I'm not giving up a second for Cross or Lloyd. Sorry, not worth it.

 

[ravidubey]

I would bust a nut for Ekwonu to be the starting LG and future LT. He is just stupid powerful. But the cost would be way too much. Guy is going top 3. A first, second and next years first wouldn't even get you there. Guy gives off Larry Allen vibes to me though.


I can't see us giving up what it takes to go top 10. And none of the guys with a chance to fall to 15-20 are worth giving up a second for in my opinion. I'm not giving up a second for Cross or Lloyd. Sorry, not worth it.

He is definitely going top five for sure.

This scenario only makes sense if he somehow unexpectedly drops

I don't make a Claiborne leap for the players who are projected to go 6 and later in this draft (I'd have made it for Fletcher Cox in 2012 though) otherwise.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

He is definitely going top five for sure.

This scenario only makes sense if he somehow unexpectedly drops

I don't make a Claiborne leap for the players who are projected to go 6 and later in this draft (I'd have made it for Fletcher Cox in 2012 though) otherwise.

Jordan Davis is the one monster I might consider a small trade up for. But I don't think the Cowboys would. But I'm just such a big fan. He really is rare in a lot of ways. Wish we had shored up the offense better to be able to make that kind of move.

 

[ravidubey]

Jordan Davis is the one monster I might consider a small trade up for. But I don't think the Cowboys would. But I'm just such a big fan. He really is rare in a lot of ways. Wish we had shored up the offense better to be able to make that kind of move.

He’s a top ten talent that will go between 12-19 because he’s not a pass rusher

 

[data]

As you should. I despise trading up in the first for anything besides a QB. The price is too steep and you lose all the value of a steal by doing it. If you sit back and wait and a Lamb or Parson's falls to you, awesome, you got a steal and great value. If you trade up for a guy, your trade is likely killing any value you would get in the player being available where he is.

Now in the second, third, fourth rounds that's totally different. If you see a first round talent at a position of need sitting their in the second round, then move up. The cost of moving up won't exceed the level of value or "steal" you're getting in the player.

It's like the Claiborne trade up. That guy would have had to become Jalen Ramsey just to justify using the 6th pick or whatever on him. If you have to trade up just to take a guy where he should go, what value is there in that? All you did was arrange the chairs to draft a need, but you didn't get any value in the pick. I want to take guys that are steals at every pick. The only way in my opinion to do that is to let the draft come to you and not go out and trade up for certain targets.

Just thinking who we’ve traded up in first round to get….off top of my head

• Emmitt
• Dez
• Claiborne
• Dorsett
• not sure if Russell Maryland counts. Did we trade up for Maryland, or just to get the #1 and decided on Maryland afterwards. Were we still thinking we could pull off Rocket Ismail?
• David LaFleur

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The real interesting part is who do we think falls in the category of "too good to pass up" even though they don't play a position of glaring need (at least from their perspective)?

Based on the pre-draft visits I think Jordan Davis and Devin Lloyd would definitely qualify. Probably if Stingley or Hamilton somehow fell to 24 but that's obviously very unlikely.

Aside from that we're talking all positions of need (OL, DE/edge and WR).

I think the Cowboys could view London as that type but he is also a position of need so that's not really what we are talking about here.

 

[ravidubey]

Just thinking who we’ve traded up in first round to get….off top of my head

• Emmitt
• Dez
• Claiborne
• Dorsett
• not sure if Russell Maryland counts. Did we trade up for Maryland, or just to get the #1 and decided on Maryland afterwards. Were we still thinking we could pull off Rocket Ismail?
• David LaFleur

You blocked Shante Carver in 1994 out of your mind I think

 

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You blocked Shante Carver in 1994 out of your mind I think

I did, you sunova……you made me look and relive the memory

Traded our #28 and #62 second rounder to move up five spots to #23 to draft Shante Carver.

Jerruh’s first draft. The horror.

 

[ravidubey]

I did, you sunova……you made me look and relive the memory

Traded our #28 and #62 second rounder to move up five spots to #23 to draft Shante Carver.

Jerruh’s first draft. The horror.

But… by some miracle… we still got Larry Allen out of Sonoma St. in the 2nd round.

Basically in that second round Jerry pulled a Homer: succeeding despite great incompetence, grabbing one of the best ever to play.

That was the draft with the fake “Good job, roomy!” quote afterwards supposedly from Jimmy but that Johnson totally denied ever saying.

Also soon afterwards the ridiculous quote: “Shante Carver is tearing up the camp”

In the same year I think, he flipped his car, abandoned it, and reported it stolen

I think he was suspended the next year for drugs, and basically forced the Cowboys to draft a DE high againtwo years later. And don’t get me started on how badly only they could have fucked that up and did

 

[data]

But… by some miracle… we still got Larry Allen out of Sonoma St. in the 2nd round.

Basically in that second round Jerry pulled a Homer: succeeding despite great incompetence, grabbing one of the best ever to play.

That was the draft with the fake “Good job, roomy!” quote afterwards supposedly from Jimmy but that Johnson totally denied ever saying.

Also soon afterwards the ridiculous quote: “Shante Carver is tearing up the camp”

In the same year I think, he flipped his car, abandoned it, and reported it stolen

I think he was suspended the next year for drugs, and basically forced the Cowboys to draft a DE high againtwo years later. And don’t get me started on how badly only they could have fucked that up and did

Two players on that list, Shante Carver and LaFleur, had their NFL career end without a second contract from any team. Just pisspoor.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Two players on that list, Shante Carver and LaFleur, had their NFL career end without a second contract from any team. Just pisspoor.

Yeah that's how you really should judge a pick. If a guy is so bad that no other team wants him to play for them, you know they were an awful pick. Hell Taco was a terrible pick but even he is bouncing around the league somewhere.