Gregory and Schultz

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I think everybody would agree that these are our top two upcoming FA priorities for extension. Based purely on talent Gallup is up there too but the fact that Wilson looks plenty capable as a WR3 at 1/3rd or 1/4th of the price, combined with how much we already have invested at WR in Cooper and Lamb, I think it's unrealistic to expect him back unless he's willing to take a below market deal or perhaps a 1 year deal to boost his value next year after missing so much of this season.

At any rate, these two are going to be extremely expensive unfortunately and it might not leave room for much of anybody else (LVE, Williams, Keanu Neal, etc.). Luckily there aren't any showstoppers beyond these two as Williams can be replaced by McGovern, LVE is a fringe starter to begin with, and Neal isn't necessarily an integral piece.

Before the season I was thinking Schultz could be re-signed for maybe ~8/year but at this point we're probably looking at the 13/year range at the very least. Last year with Dak he was on pace for roughly 700 yards and 6 TD's which would've had him around 5th in the league for TE's. This year he's on pace for nearly 1,000 yards and 8 TD's (prorated over 16 games for comparison) and is currently 4th in the league amongst TE's.

I don't think he'll be able to get into the Kelce/Kittle stratosphere in the 15/year range since they're pretty well entrenched as the best in the league, but Mark Andrews at 14/year seems where they'll likely end up, with the 12.5/year given to Jonnu Smith and Hunter Henry as the absolute floor.

As for Gregory, before the season I was hoping we could lock him up on a bargain around ~10/year, but of course that is likely out the window now as well.

You have guys like Trey Hendrickson, Leonard Floyd and Dante Fowler who all got deals in the 15-16/year range in the last year. Floyd was probably the most similar to Gregory in that he was up and down for several years, and was basically let go by the Bears after being picked top 10, then had 10.5 sacks in his first year with the Rams in 2020 and got 4/64 this past offseason. Hendrickson had 13.5 sacks in 2020 before getting 4/60 and Carl Lawson had a grand total of 20 sacks over 4 years (career high of 8.5) before getting 3/45.

Our best argument may be Matthew Judon who got just under 14/year this past offseason after consistently being in the 7-9 sack range for a few years, and is now near the top of the league with 6.5.

Assuming Gregory keeps it up and ends up with around 10 sacks, you have to feel like the floor for him is 13/year, and that's assuming teams are wary of him and he wants to repay the favor to the organization for sticking with him all these years. He could very easily push for 15-17/year if he puts up 10 or so sacks.

Long story short, these two are about to become two of the top 7-8 paid players on the team and it's going to eat into our depth, but that's the price of success.
 

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Scary. I would rank Gregory as priority 1 as most of you would as well. Its been hard enough for us to find capable pass rushers for years so letting one to makes zero sense. Maybe Dak will get restructured.
 

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I wonder if Gallup isn't too expensive after all. His numbers won't be gaudy after an injury shortened year. There are plenty of good WRs out there. He didn't have a great 2020 in part due to the QB injuries. He doesn't have a big pedigree as a prospect and wasn't a #1 pick. He'll hit the market with one 1000 yard season in 4 years.

I wonder if he won't wind up being affordable.

Considering the injury I wonder if he might take a 1 year deal with us and try again to put up some numbers and hit the market next year. I'd be down with that.

Let LVE and Williams walk. Re-sign Neal (I don't think he's doing anything that will make him expensive, but I do think he has a nice role here).

Cut Jarwin. Sign Schultz.

I'd sign Gregory even if he's somewhat expensive. I'd even cut Lawrence to do it if it came down to that.
 

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I love me some Schultz, but I’d let Schultz go and keep Jarwin.

Gregory is tantamount in keeping, even if it also means letting Gallup go to keep Wilson
 

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Curious what you guys think on the emergence of Shultz. How much is scheme, how much is it the player?

I'm of the opinion that it's more a scheme thing that is powering his production, but I'm honest that it's only my eyes telling me that and I haven't watched a bunch of tape of just schultz running routes and how he is getting open when covered etc. So I definitely could be wrong on him.
 

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Curious what you guys think on the emergence of Shultz. How much is scheme, how much is it the player?

I'm of the opinion that it's more a scheme thing that is powering his production, but I'm honest that it's only my eyes telling me that and I haven't watched a bunch of tape of just schultz running routes and how he is getting open when covered etc. So I definitely could be wrong on him.
I think it’s a combination. Gallup being out means he is the 3rd WR more. And a defense facing 12 personnel with Cooper and Lamb won’t want to get beat deep by the WRs or have Zeke run it down their throat, so Schultz has space to work.
 

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Curious what you guys think on the emergence of Shultz. How much is scheme, how much is it the player?

I'm of the opinion that it's more a scheme thing that is powering his production, but I'm honest that it's only my eyes telling me that and I haven't watched a bunch of tape of just schultz running routes and how he is getting open when covered etc. So I definitely could be wrong on him.
I think it's some of both. Replacing Shultz the receiver doesn't scare me so much. I actually think Jarwin is a pretty competent receiving target. It's oddly enough the blocking and other stuff. Schultz has really become a complete TE. Stuff that I think Jarwin isn't the greatest at. If I had to pick it's Gregory. We have no one else like him that can change games as a pass rusher. Now that his past is behind him I want to suck out whatever years he still has left at a high level.

Preferably I want both back. Hell if I could save the money cutting Jarwin to keep Schultz I absolutely would. With our system and talent I think a solid TE could sleep walk to 700 yards receiving. But Schultz does the other things really well to help the engine run and that's what I really don't want to lose. These are the problems good teams have. Guys produce all over the board and you're going to have to pick which ones to keep.
 

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Curious what you guys think on the emergence of Shultz. How much is scheme, how much is it the player?

I'm of the opinion that it's more a scheme thing that is powering his production, but I'm honest that it's only my eyes telling me that and I haven't watched a bunch of tape of just schultz running routes and how he is getting open when covered etc. So I definitely could be wrong on him.

I don't think it's scheme, I think he's a good player.

If it was scheme we'd have seen these types of numbers from Jarwin and he's never done anything close.
 

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I think it’s a combination. Gallup being out means he is the 3rd WR more. And a defense facing 12 personnel with Cooper and Lamb won’t want to get beat deep by the WRs or have Zeke run it down their throat, so Schultz has space to work.
Agree, he's a good player and I'd love to keep him. but I also don't think hes as talented as someone like an Andrews, and definitely not as much as much as a Kelce or Kittle. I think Hunter Henry is a pretty decent comp.

I suspect we let him go. This is a wild card as small a sample as it is, but McKeon did look really impressive IMO in preseason. By far our best UFA. Maybe they think they can develop someone like him into a similar player.

Also think that, right or wrong, Jerry opens the vault for Gregory. He's a prime Jerry Pet Project and he may have finally worked out.
 

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Agree, he's a good player and I'd love to keep him. but I also don't think hes as talented as someone like an Andrews, and definitely not as much as much as a Kelce or Kittle. I think Hunter Henry is a pretty decent comp.

I suspect we let him go. This is a wild card as small a sample as it is, but McKeon did look really impressive IMO in preseason. By far our best UFA. Maybe they think they can develop someone like him into a similar player.

Also think that, right or wrong, Jerry opens the vault for Gregory. He's a prime Jerry Pet Project and he may have finally worked out.

I agree with everything you're saying, except I'll be pretty surprised if they let Schultz go. I'd bet the coaches bang the table for him.
 

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IMO, retaining Gregory is paramount. He's as close to this team's Charles Haley as this team is likely to get for a while (at least 3 to 5 years).

Gallup and Schultz are more expendable.

Very much looking forward to Gallup's return. I want to see what this year's offense looks like with Gallup serving as a deep threat. The result could be remarkable.
 

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The wild card as far as how expensive some of these guys get could be the postseason. Guys like Gregory, Schultz or Gallup having huge games in the playoffs when everyone in the league is watching could skyrocket their price tags. Like what happened with Larry Brown.
 

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I want to keep him. He’s America’s TE. But Simp mentioned $13M/year. You keeping Schultz for $13M?

Google search shows we’re -$9M to -$13M for 2022’s salary cap. How much is 2022’s cap going to increase?
So we can save 4.25 mil of we cut Jarwin after this year. :shrug
 

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I want to keep him. He’s America’s TE. But Simp mentioned $13M/year. You keeping Schultz for $13M?

Google search shows we’re -$9M to -$13M for 2022’s salary cap. How much is 2022’s cap going to increase?

I'm guessing we'll have plenty of money if we want it.
 

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Curious what you guys think on the emergence of Shultz. How much is scheme, how much is it the player?

I'm of the opinion that it's more a scheme thing that is powering his production, but I'm honest that it's only my eyes telling me that and I haven't watched a bunch of tape of just schultz running routes and how he is getting open when covered etc. So I definitely could be wrong on him.
He was coming on last year before Dak got hurt and remained solid even with the rotating carousel of QB's. I don't think he's up there with the elite of the elite (Kelce/Kittle/Waller, maybe Hockenson or Pitts in a year or two) but he's pretty solidly in that 2nd tier with someone like Mark Andrews, who in reality is usually in the top 5 TE's in terms of production.

My big thing with him is that he seems to have an excellent rapport with Dak, is adept at finding soft spots in coverage with defenses focused on Cooper/Lamb, and is probably our best run blocking TE. He brings more variety to the offense than someone like Gallup.

13/year or what have you is a tough pill to swallow but at this point I'd rather have Cooper/Lamb/Wilson/Schultz than Cooper/Lamb/Gallup/Jarwin.

We'll have to see how Gallup looks when he comes back, and I'd certainly love to bring him back if we can finagle him into a below market deal (8-10/year), but it's just hard to imagine him getting less than 13-14/year when guys like Corey Davis, Curtis Samuel and Agholor have been signing for around 11-12/year.

If we theoretically could get Gallup for 8-10, while Schultz is demanding 13-14, I'd let Schultz walk for that difference.
 

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I'm guessing we'll have plenty of money if we want it.
It's going to be real tight but we could probably sign Schultz to a 5/68 type contract with a first year cap hit in the 4-6 range, which is basically what we'd be saving by cutting Jarwin.

I agree that Gregory is probably the number one priority overall though.
 
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