Cowboys at Saints | Week 10 Gameday Chatter Thread | 11/10/13

[BipolarFuk]

CBS sports is saying 3-4 weeks for Lee.

 

[NoDak]

Claiborne shouldn't be lumped in with them. He didn't have an injury history in college and until this season his injuries have been minor. The other 2 miss months at a time.

Just curious, but how come you're so quick to defend Claiborne, but take any opportunity to take a dig at Tyron Smith? He's done way more to help this team, and didn't cost nearly as much draft wise. Just strikes me as funny.

 

[Deuce]

Just curious, but how come you're so quick to defend Claiborne, but take any opportunity to take a dig at Tyron Smith? He's done way more to help this team, and didn't cost nearly as much draft wise. Just strikes me as funny.

Except for when Smith gets retarded penalties like the holding call to help blow the game a few weeks ago (and he's had many), most of my comments towards him are just poking at people like Simp and Schmidty who think he's an All Pro in the making even before the draft. He's above average and that's fine for right now. I expect more from the top tacke taken but it is what it is. He's not bad and he's not great. Kind of reminds me of early years Flozell where you know he can be so much better than he currently is.

Claiborne gets defended cause he's gotten a raw deal since the day he was drafted around here. The CB hate poured out since the moment we traded up and people let that cloud their judgment when talking about him. He had a disappointing rookie year and when we all wanted to see growth, he got hurt. Not something minor either. He got banged up in camp and it hindered his development until he got hurt again and knocked him out for games. If we had drafted a blue chip prospect with his college resume at any other position other than CB, people would have given him more slack.

But I don't consider what I said to Va as defending him so much as just stating fact. He doesn't have a history of being prone to injury while the other 2 do. Hell, it's why players of their caliber were available when they were in the draft to begin with.

 

[Texas Ace]

Claiborne shouldn't be lumped in with them. He didn't have an injury history in college and until this season his injuries have been minor. The other 2 miss months at a time.

I don't give a shit what his injury history was at LSU, because as a pro, he can't stay healthy.

 

[Deuce]

CBS sports is saying 3-4 weeks for Lee.

My Urlacher comment was in jest, but it might need to happen. Durant was pathetic at MLB save one nice pass deflection and Carter can't play deep middle.

 

[Texas Ace]

Claiborne gets defended cause he's gotten a raw deal since the day he was drafted around here.

He didn't get a raw deal from me.

I didn't like us investing what we did into a corner, but I agreed with you and Carp in that we were at least getting what was supposed to be an elite playmaker so I could deal with it. But he's been anything but.

You keep making excuses for the guy when the truth of the matter is, he has sucked as an NFL CB and he has shown zero ability to make plays. If anything, he's become our new Terence Newman - the guy with zeoro ball skills who other teams pick on when they need a play.

 

[Smitty]

Except for when Smith gets retarded penalties like the holding call to help blow the game a few weeks ago (and he's had many), most of my comments towards him are just poking at people like Simp and Schmidty who think he's an All Pro in the making even before the draft.

So you admit to thread hijacking.

 

[Texas Ace]

Just curious, but how come you're so quick to defend Claiborne, but take any opportunity to take a dig at Tyron Smith? He's done way more to help this team, and didn't cost nearly as much draft wise. Just strikes me as funny.

If Claiborne's play was on par with Smith's, we'd all be pretty happy with Claiborne.

 

[Smitty]

He didn't get a raw deal from me.

I didn't like us investing what we did into a corner, but I agreed with you and Carp in that we were at least getting what was supposed to be an elite playmaker so I could deal with it. But he's been anything but.

You keep making excuses for the guy when the truth of the matter is, he has sucked as an NFL CB and he has shown zero ability to make plays. If anything, he's become our new Terence Newman - the guy with zeoro ball skills who other teams pick on when they need a play.

At least Terence Newman was a starter.

 

[boozeman]

So nothing official yet but it sounds like Lee is going to at least be out for the Giants. Does anyone have Urlacher on the Batphone?

Please. We don't even have enough cap room to sign him for dirt for the rest of the season.

 

[Texas Ace]

At least Terence Newman was a starter.

And at least he was a legit pro bowl corner at various times.

 

[boozeman]

And at least he was a legit pro bowl corner at various times.

Now you are being romantic. He was a legit solid corner at various times...never Pro Bowl.

 

[Texas Ace]

Now you are being romantic. He was a legit solid corner at various times...never Pro Bowl.

I hated the guy, but he had 3 very good seasons:

2003, 2005, and 2008.

 

[Cotton]

What a pathetic shit storm this team is.

 

[Genghis Khan]

FWIW, I think Garrett (and Romo) are the reasons we've spent 2 first rounders on OL for the first time in forever. I don't really agree that he's to blame for our lack of attention to the OL, that's Jerry's wildcatting. I would agree that the guy Garrett signed off on (Callahan) made two epically bad free agent scouting calls on Livings and Bernadeau.

But yeah, the two TE thing, we've just never been able to make that work, though in theory, I like the idea.

It does seem like Garrett is not capable of stepping in on the defensive side of the ball, though, even though he's more of a "walk around head coach" now. Parcells was able to kinda step in on either side of the ball and make changes, even though his background was defense. You still get the sense that we have an offensive head coach and a defensive head coach here though.

Which.... isn't that something that Joe Gibbs counseled Jerry to do? Someone told him to do that which is why he hired Wade to begin with. Bad idea.

I've seen you say it a few times, but you are completely making up that Garrett wanted an OL in the first round of the 2013 draft.

He clearly wanted Eiffert in the first and was so pissed we didn't draft him that Jerry had to appease him by drafting Escobar in the 2nd (and Jerry made him sign a pact to actually use 2 TEs this time, something he already broke).

 

[Texas Ace]

What a pathetic shit storm this team is.

Yup....but you know what?

PS4 in 4 days!!!

 

[Genghis Khan]

Think teh Jer could pull a trade with Miami for him?

Sure. We could give up a pick and throw in Akin Ayodele out of the kindness of our hearts.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I knew that wasn't gonna happen.

As I said to 1big and Carp, the big difference between this game and the Broncos game is that we didn't go into that game with our offense playing like pure shit.

I knew the defense wasn't going to get many stops, but more importantly, I knew this sorry ass offense wasn't going to be able to move the ball enough to keep this one competitive.

This team is done.

I think a large part of the difference is one game was in Dallas and one was in NO. From top to bottom this team doesn't know how to play on the road.

 

[Texas Ace]

I think a large part of the difference is one game was in Dallas and one was in NO. From top to bottom this team doesn't know how to play on the road.

That is part of it, but remember, we played at home vs two of the worst defenses in football (Washington and Minnesota) and we struggled to put drives together in those games as well.

If not for special teams and a defense turnover that put us inside the 5, the offense only scores 17 against the Skins, and I'm sure you saw how badly be looked against Minnesota.

This offense just sucks right now regardless of where we play.

 

[Genghis Khan]

That is part of it, but remember, we played at home vs two of the worst defenses in football (Washington and Minnesota) and we struggled to put drives together in those games as well.

If not for special teams and a defense turnover that put us inside the 5, the offense only scores 17 against the Skins, and I'm sure you saw how badly be looked against Minnesota.

This offense just sucks right now regardless of where we play.

Nonsense. I heard from a very reliable source that the offense is top 5 in scoring.