Report: Jonathan Martin “gone AWOL” from Dolphins

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It's funny that all these black guys are coming out saying they don't have a problem with Incognito calling them niggers or using the word in general.

Warren Sapp said he called him a nigger back in 2006 and said he took it as a term of endearment. :lol
 

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This whole thing is spinning in weird directions.

One angle cries racism.

The other talks about bullying and to a lesser degree hazing.

To me, it is hypersensitive nonsense for the most part.

This should not be a springboard to the social issue of racism or bullying and apply itself to parts of "real life".

But watch, the league will continue to push social issues to protect "the shield" and ban even the singing for your food at training camp, which I don't think is harmful in the least.

These silly media types saying OMG HAZING! are either complete idiots that have denied the reality of a locker room or just trying to come off as socially conscious.

Player culture on a team is about all these guys have left that hasn't been trod upon. It is no wonder why a lot of players aren't exactly enthused about this crap.
Absolutely.
 

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It's funny that all these black guys are coming out saying they don't have a problem with Incognito calling them niggers or using the word in general.

Warren Sapp said he called him a nigger back in 2006 and said he took it as a term of endearment. :lol
I have no choice but to shun you as a racist for even mentioning this.
 

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It gets weirder and weirder.
Stupid...nothing to be gained from weighing in on this. Where is his outrage from Martin being forced into giving up 15K?

It does keep keep getting weirder though because it is being reported that Martin went to Ireland about Incognito and he told him to punch him.
 

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The more I hear the more I think Incognito is being made a scapegoat and Martin appears to be nothing more than a hypersensitive bitch who doesn't have the mental make up for team sports.

Incognito has his warts but everything I hear about him suggests that he's one of those guys you love as a teammate but hate to play against.
 

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Martin may be weak, but that does not excuse Incognito. The extortion alone is horrid. Teammates are rallying around him because they are weak IMO. Easier to back the stronger horse...they don't want to face the same backlash Martin is facing.
 
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Stupid...nothing to be gained from weighing in on this. Where is his outrage from Martin being forced into giving up 15K?

It does keep keep getting weirder though because it is being reported that Martin went to Ireland about Incognito and he told him to punch him.
Even with all the leaks, we still don't know the full story. But if literally the entire team is standing up for one guy I think that's about as telling as any voicemail or text message that's been shown.
 
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Martin may be weak, but that does not excuse Incognito. The extortion alone is horrid. Teammates are rallying around him because they are weak IMO. Easier to back the stronger horse...they don't want to face the same backlash Martin is facing.
I don't think so. If Incognito is really this bad guy who's guilty of everything said, he won't be on the team anymore. They are no reason to fear him. As a team, they could have rallied around Martin and become a tighter unit because of it. Instead, they are rallying around the "bully". Maybe it was just simple hazing that Martin couldn't handle and is blowing everything out of proportion.
 

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Why do these black guys not care that Incognito is calling them the N-word? I mean, I thought that was like the biggest no no ever?

Evidently, this guy is so mean, and so fucking crazy they know they can't do anything about it anyway, so they just say, fuck it.
 
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Why do these black guys not care that Incognito is calling them the N-word? I mean, I thought that was like the biggest no no ever?

Evidently, this guy is so mean, and so fucking crazy they know they can't do anything about it anyway, so they just say, fuck it.
The video you posted has him hugging and hanging out with Mike Pouncey. He's obviously good friends with him.
 

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The video you posted has him hugging and hanging out with Mike Pouncey. He's obviously good friends with him.
He's also called Martin "half-nigger". Called Warren Sapp a nigger. And these are the only ones reported so far.

Why do these black guys not want to beat the fuck out of him or whatever?

I'm guessing it because they can't, so they just laugh it off because they are scared of him.
 
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He's also called Martin "half-nigger". Called Warren Sapp a nigger. And these are the only ones reported so far.

Why do these black guys not want to beat the fuck out of him or whatever?

I'm guessing it because they can't, so they just laugh it off because they are scared of him.
Or we just don't know the context in which it was said. If he is comfortable with them and vice versa and uses it in a loving way, than they are probably open to it. Like I said, there's plenty we don't know but the overwhelming support he's gotten speaks volumes.
 

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Why do these black people not care that he uses nigger? I would guess it is because they are his friends, they use the word, and he uses the word in the same way...
 

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It all makes sense now. Incognito is "Honorary Black"

It all makes sense now. Incognito is "Honorary Black"

Everything we think we know about the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito case seemingly changes on a daily basis.

First, Martin was a victim and Incognito was a bully. Now, teammates say they were best friends. Incognito is a respected teammate and Martin is portrayed as a head case and an outcast who has turned on his team.

At the onset, Incognito was an insensative racist. But not only are teammates now denying that description, they're saying Incognito is more black than Martin, according to The Miami Herald.

In fact, he's apparently considered an "honorary" black man in the locker room.

"Richie is honorary," one player who left the Dolphins this offseason told the Herald's Armando Salguero. "I don't expect you to understand because you're not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It's about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you've experienced. A lot of things."

Martin, who's biracial, attended Stanford and is the son of two lawyers. FOX Sports' Coy Wire, who also played at Stanford, wrote this week of the challenges "smart guys" can face in the NFL culture.

“There is a culture in the NFL that is hard to break into. If you don’t fit into the mold, and the culture in the locker room, you won’t last," another former NFL player who went to Stanford told Wire. "You do get a lot of respect [being from Stanford] because of your perceived intelligence, but you have to overcome a stigma that you may not be tough enough. Sometimes, in a gladiator sport like football, intelligence can be perceived as being soft.”

That's been the rap on Martin, according to The Herald and other sources. FOX Sports NFL Insider Mike Garafolo reported that Dolphins coaches were aware of Incognito's hazing of Martin and hoped it would "toughen him up."

Offensive lineman John Jerry said he has never heard Incognito use the N-word around him and even if he did, would have “laughed it off.” As far as Incognito being a racist, Jerry said, “He’s a guy I’m with more than my own family, so I know what type of guy he is, personally.”

Dolphins players "all say they like Jonathan," Salguero said on ESPN. "They all say they love Richie."

Hall of Famer Warren Sapp, appearing on the Dan Patrick Show on Wednesday, said Incognito called him the N-word during a game in 2006. Sapp said “it’s a term of endearment where I come from.”

Stephen A. Smith, on ESPN's "First Take," said the perception that Martin is less black than any of his teammates because of personality differences "is the most alarming aspect of this fiasco."

FOX Sports' Jen Engel writes that the blame lies in the culture around the team: "You want to talk about what is wrong with the Miami Dolphins? It is not simply Incognito. It is a coach in Joe Philbin who did not bother to keep his finger on the pulse of his team. It is a general manager in Jeff Ireland who watched one of his players walk away from an NFL job with NFL checks and did not start asking the right questions about why until way too late. It is the rest of the locker room who stood idly by and let Martin be bullied."

The league is investigating the relationship Incognito had with Martin, who left the team last week because of emotional issues. Incognito was suspended indefinitely by coach Joe Philbin for his treatment of Martin.

"As the representative organization of all players, the NFLPA will insist on a fair investigation for all involved," the union said in a statement Tuesday that included no condemnation of Incognito's conduct.

Instead, the union said accountability rested with the Dolphins.

"We expect that the NFL and its clubs create a safe and professional workplace for all players, and that owners, executives, coaches and players should set the best standards and examples," the union said. "It is the duty of this union to hold the clubs ... accountable for safety and professionalism in the workplace. ... We will continue to remain in contact with the impacted players, their representatives and player leadership."

Philbin said he was unaware of any harassment between the players until after Martin left the team.

"If the (NFL) review shows that this is not a safe atmosphere, I will take whatever measures are necessary to ensure that it is," Philbin said.
 

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Why do these black people not care that he uses nigger? I would guess it is because they are his friends, they use the word, and he uses the word in the same way...
That's exactly why they are doing it.

After the Riley Cooper incident, a couple of players (one black and one white, I can't remember who they were) were talking about how they ae best friends and how they call each other nigga.

Regarding Sapp's comment, I don't think Sapp viewed took being called nigger as a term of indearment. From what I heard, he knew that Incognito was just trying to bait him into getting into a fight or doing something illegal that would get him kicked out of the game. So he didn't take it as if Incognito was a racist. He thought Incognito was just trying to gain a competitive edge.
 

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Incognito has always been an asshole, but I think Martin also happens to be a pussy who isn't cut out for football.
 

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Former Dolphin insists Martin wasn’t bullied, and that coaches knew what was going on
Posted by Mike Florio on November 7, 2013, 11:34 AM EST

Former Dolphins tackle Lydon Murtha has written a column for TheMMQB.com regarding the things he witnessed and the things he believed regarding the relationship between Dolphins guard Richie Incognito and Dolphins tackle Jonathan Martin. Characterized as a first-person account, it’s clear there are several key aspects on which Murtha wouldn’t have had first-hand information.

And so the biggest question becomes, on those points, where did he get the information?

Indeed, Murtha’s factual perspective is limited. He played for the Dolphins through August 31, 2012, which means that he observed the interactions between Incognito and Martin only through the 2012 offseason program (following Martin’s arrival via the draft), training camp, and the preseason.

Murtha says, presumably based on his experiences, that Martin didn’t “seem to want to be one of the group,” and that he “came off as standoffish and shy” to the rest of the lineman. Murtha says that Martin “couldn’t look anyone in the eye, which was puzzling for a football player at this level on a team full of grown-ass men.”

Fair translation? The “grown-ass men” in the locker room viewed Martin as different, as not tough, and ultimately as soft. Which meshes with the notion that, instead of accepting Martin for who he is, players (and possibly coaches) wanted to make Martin more like them.

In insisting that Incognito didn’t bully Martin, Murtha claims that everyone gave Martin a hard time: “Other players said the same things Incognito said to Martin, so you’d need to suspend the whole team if you suspend Incognito.”

That could be good for Incognito, but bad for the Dolphins.

The bigger problem with Murtha’s proclamation that Incognito didn’t bully Martin is that Murtha seems to be applying his own interpretation of what “bullying” is. To support his position, Murtha writes that Martin was never singled out or treated differently or excluded.

At the same time, Murtha never really addresses the question of whether the verbal interactions between Incognito and Martin crossed the line. Murtha comes close, pointing out that he knows “when a guy can’t handle razzing” and that “Incognito doesn’t have that filter,” but Murtha never comments on whether Incognito exposed Martin to “razzing” that Martin may not have been able to handle.

The column then careens off the rails when Murtha in his supposed first-person account starts to offer conjecture about things he didn’t actually experience. For example, Murtha declares the voice message sent earlier this year from Incognito to Martin — months after Murtha was cut — “came from a place of humor.”

How can Murtha possibly know that as part of a first-person account? The more accurate explanation is that someone else (possibly Incognito) told this to Murtha.

Murtha also disputes the suggestion that Incognito improperly squeezed $15,000 out of Martin to pay for a trip to Las Vegas with no facts, and no proof. Per multiple league and media sources, the trip happened in 2013. Murtha was long gone by then, and yet Murtha uses his first-person account to create the impression that he has conclusive first-hand evidence of what happened.

He doesn’t. Anything he said about it came from someone else. Possibly Incognito.

And that’s where the column gets very interesting, but for reasons Murtha likely didn’t intend. If, as it appears, someone else is funneling information to Murtha, someone else may have funneled this information, too: “Incognito was made a scapegoat for the hell coming down on the Dolphins organization, which in turn said it knew nothing about any so-called hazing. That’s the most outlandish lie of this whole thing. The coaches know everything. The coaches know who’s getting picked on and in many cases call for that player to be singled out. Any type of denial on that side is ridiculous.”

If Murtha is getting that information from Incognito, get ready for Incognito to officially claim that he was merely doing what he thought he was supposed to do as a team leader, and that management either told him to do it or at a minimum knew he was doing it.

That could be good for Incognito, but bad for the Dolphins.
 
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