Archer: Sean Payton - Romo having 'his best year'

[Texas Ace]

He was far better in 2011 IMO.

2009 and 2011 are the best seasons of his career with 2011 getting the nod for THE best.

Not only were his numbers damn good, he was in pimp mode for most of the season.

There was a stretch between the middle of the season into December where the offense didn't really play well per se, it was Romo just constantly pulling shit out of his ass that was making that offense go.

Giving him a shitty line and making only an attempt to get Nnamdi in FA was a waste of such a great year for him.

 

[p1_]

Romo has had tons of time. For once in like 7 years you can't blame the line. I will go further in saying that blaming the line this year is tad amount to apologizing for Romo.

'tantamount' to apologizing.....

 

[Tony D]

He was far better in 2011 IMO.

Absolutely. I'm not saying its his best year, but these guys were saying he was having a bad year.

 

[Smitty]

Kinda hard to go downfield when your shit OL is still consistently being pushed back into your face.

I don't see much improvement in them really. Doug Free was much better early in the year, but has leveled off. Tyron still just can't reach elite level. LG has been hit or miss. Frederick has rookie moments as to be expected, but his future looks bright. Waters was solid, nothing incredible. Berny is bad.

Everyone here says Romo is gunshy or playing scared, well yeah, his OL still fucking sucks.

I'm not allowed to say it, glad you can.

The OL has been better than the All-Timer Bad that it was last year, really one of the absolute worst I've ever seen.

I guess any improvement from that makes people think it's good, but it's really not good. It's ok. Still can't run block.

I liked Leary early on but he's getting beat at a higher and higher rate. I guess I'd have to say that still puts me in the "I want three more OLs" camp. Free needs to be replaced by a guy who can maul in the run game, Waters needs to be replaced simply because he's gonna retire, and Leary if the opportunity presents itself. At least Frederick looks good.

 

[Rev]

Absolutely. I'm not saying its his best year, but these guys were saying he was having a bad year.

You do realize that if you have your best year then all of the other years are going to be considered worse than that? Geez. You think we were crucifying the guy. Compared to all of his other years this is not one of his better years. Sorry that kills your homer buzz but he can have a bad year and it still be good based on what he has done in the past.

 

[Rev]

'tantamount' to apologizing.....

You just walked into a board joke provided by 2233.

 

[NoDak]

How many times this year have you seen him scramble versus years past?

Yeah...

This is your proof that the line is good? Because he is running for his life less than he has in years past? Really?

I said the line is better this year. Just because it's better, doesn't mean it's good.

 

[townsend]

I really think Tony has lost a step. I saw the KC game (and few others) and in that one he looked like he could barely heave the ball over the LOS.

That being said, I don't really understand what's expected of Tony. He got criticized huge for throwing that pick in Denver, so presumably he's playing too aggressive. He had a terrible completion percentage against Detroit, so getting rid of the ball is unacceptable. But he also shouldn't hold the ball and get sacked.

I guess anything short of having a pass to a wide open receiver on every play is unacceptable.

 

[Genghis Khan]

The line was obviously worse last year and in 2011, yet Romo's YPA is down. So yeah, it's not the offensive line.

Tyron Smith is playing better than he ever has, Frederick has been much better than Costa or Cook, Waters up to his injury has been better than Bernadeau or Livings or any other guard we've played the past two years, and Free has been much better than he's been in the past 3 years.

If you are putting this on the offensive line, you are not really understanding what you are seeing.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I'm not allowed to say it, glad you can.

The OL has been better than the All-Timer Bad that it was last year, really one of the absolute worst I've ever seen.

I guess any improvement from that makes people think it's good, but it's really not good. It's ok. Still can't run block.

I liked Leary early on but he's getting beat at a higher and higher rate. I guess I'd have to say that still puts me in the "I want three more OLs" camp. Free needs to be replaced by a guy who can maul in the run game, Waters needs to be replaced simply because he's gonna retire, and Leary if the opportunity presents itself. At least Frederick looks good.

Of course you are allowed to say it; people love when you're wrong.

You know how I know you are wrong (aside from all the football reasons)? You are agreeing with Bipo.

 

[Smitty]

Of course you are allowed to say it; people love when you're wrong.

You know how I know you are wrong (aside from all the football reasons)? You are agreeing with Bipo.

Don't forget NoDak.

Besides, I'm not putting it "all" on the OL, just saying it's still very much one of the big problems.

 

[Smitty]

The line was obviously worse last year and in 2011, yet Romo's YPA is down. So yeah, it's not the offensive line.

It's a large part the offensive line. There are obviously other factors in play.

Then again, our red zone scoring is also up, so that is reflected by the OL being a little more competent. Just saying, skill position players' effectiveness is always reduced with a bad OL and that is still the case here.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Don't forget NoDak.

Besides, I'm not putting it "all" on the OL, just saying it's still very much one of the big problems.

Nodak said the line isn't good. He didn't say what Bipo said, and what you quoted and agreed with, which is that they can't get the ball downfield because the line is so bad. Nodak never said that.

Nice try though.

 

[L.T. Fan]

As far as I can determine the N.O. coach is the one that used the term "best year". Some of us say Romo is having a good year which is apparently unacceptable and worthy of the "homer and apologist" label' My position is that Romo is having a good year and the stats agree.

 

[Cotton]

This is your proof that the line is good? Because he is running for his life less than he has in years past? Really?

I said the line is better this year. Just because it's better, doesn't mean it's good.

I never said the line is good, but it's a helluva lot better than it's been in years past. Me saying he has had tons of time is relative. He has had tons of time compared to what he has had in the last say 3 years.

 

[Genghis Khan]

It's a large part the offensive line. There are obviously other factors in play.

Then again, our red zone scoring is also up, so that is reflected by the OL being a little more competent. Just saying, skill position players' effectiveness is always reduced with a bad OL and that is still the case here.

It's pretty simple. If the question is, why is Romo not getting the ball downfield as much this year, and the offensive line has been better this year than in years past, then the answer to the question is not the offensive line.

Essentially you are trying to say: Romo hasn't gotten the ball downfield as much this year because of the offensive line, which has been better.

It's illogical.

 

[Genghis Khan]

As far as I can determine the N.O. coach is the one that used the term "best year". Some of us say Romo is having a good year which is apparently unacceptable and worthy of the "homer and apologist" label' My position is that Romo is having a good year and the stats agree.

Of course Romo is having a good year.

The question whether it is his best or one of his best. The answer is debatable but I would say it is one of his worst because he isn't getting the ball downfield as much.

Not bad. But not as good as he's done in the past.

 

[Cotton]

Of course Romo is having a good year.

The question whether it is his best or one of his best. The answer is debatable but I would say it is one of his worst because he isn't getting the ball downfield as much.

Not bad. But not as good as he's done in the past.

The only reason his completion % is this high is because of the dinks, dunks, and slants. If he had been trying to go downfield as often as years past it wouldn't be nearly as high. Hell, he has had issues just hitting basic out routes this year.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Of course Romo is having a good year.

The question whether it is his best or one of his best. The answer is debatable but I would say it is one of his worst because he isn't getting the ball downfield as much.

Not bad. But not as good as he's done in the past.

Of course Romo is having more difficulty getting the ball down field but the reason is the current receiving Corp. They are new. Austin was one of the biggest threats in the past. He is replaced by a good rookie who is still learning. Bryant is getting better with his routes but still has a way to go. Beasley is not a vertical threat and Harris is used sparingly. The down field passing game is in transition but will eventually get there.

 

[Cotton]

Of course Romo is having more difficulty getting the ball down field but the reason is the current receiving Corp. They are new. Austin was one of the biggest threats in the past. He is replaced by a good rookie who is still learning. Bryant is getting better with his routes but still has a way to go. Beasley is not a vertical threat and Harris is used sparingly. The down field passing game is in transition but will eventually get there.

It's just never Romo's fault, is it?