Sturm: Randy Gregory has been dominant. What does it mean for Cowboys’ DL? Nolan Report

[shoop]

Fun with numbers.

Gregory had a sack every 71 snaps and a forced fumble every 83.

Lawrence had a sack every 114 snaps and a forced fumble every 162.

By comparison
TJ Watt had a sack every 57 snaps and a forced fumble 425.
Emmanuel Ogbah has a sack every 82 snaps and a forced fumble every 247.
Watt is the sack leader. Ogbah is tied for 11th with 9. He is the 4th ranked DE on the list.

Overall I would say Gregory isn't doing terrible and will likely benefit from a real offseason of work.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Fun with numbers.

Gregory had a sack every 71 snaps and a forced fumble every 83.

Lawrence had a sack every 114 snaps and a forced fumble every 162.

By comparison
TJ Watt had a sack every 57 snaps and a forced fumble 425.
Emmanuel Ogbah has a sack every 82 snaps and a forced fumble every 247.
Watt is the sack leader. Ogbah is tied for 11th with 9. He is the 4th ranked DE on the list.

Overall I would say Gregory isn't doing terrible and will likely benefit from a real offseason of work.

Props.

It's just patently ridiculous for anyone to suggest he hasn't been at least pretty good on the season and at times really good.

 

[ravidubey]

Why is it always “at times” with Gregory?

You can’t compare sacks per snap between situational pass rushers and full time DEs. You know this.

Lawrence and Watt have triple Gregory’s count. You can rely on them. They are always on the field and the opposing offense must account for them on every play.

Gregory should be in his prime, but he’s still a part time player.

So can we wait at least one game before anointing the guy?

Or blow my mind and let’s see it for say... a season? Is that too unfair?

 

[Cotton]

Why is it always “at times” with Gregory?

You can’t compare sacks per snap between situational pass rushers and full time DEs. You know this.

Lawrence and Watt have triple Gregory’s count. You can rely on them. They are always on the field and the opposing offense must account for them on every play.

Gregory should be in his prime, but he’s still a part time player.

So can we wait at least one game before anointing the guy?

Or blow my mind and let’s see it for say... a season? Is that too unfair?

Dude, there is so much dumb about this post.

 

[shoop]

Why is it always “at times” with Gregory?

You can’t compare sacks per snap between situational pass rushers and full time DEs. You know this.

Lawrence and Watt have triple Gregory’s count. You can rely on them. They are always on the field and the opposing offense must account for them on every play.

Gregory should be in his prime, but he’s still a part time player.

So can we wait at least one game before anointing the guy?

Or blow my mind and let’s see it for say... a season? Is that too unfair?

The numbers are skewed because he didn't play the first 6 games, not because he has a significantly lower snap count than the others mentioned.

 

[boozeman]

Why is it always “at times” with Gregory?

You can’t compare sacks per snap between situational pass rushers and full time DEs. You know this.

Lawrence and Watt have triple Gregory’s count. You can rely on them. They are always on the field and the opposing offense must account for them on every play.

Gregory should be in his prime, but he’s still a part time player.

So can we wait at least one game before anointing the guy?

Or blow my mind and let’s see it for say... a season? Is that too unfair?

I don't think at his peak coming out from college that he was ever viewed as a complete DE.

Turn him loose as a situational rusher and you get 6 sacks, that is a win. I know it is no Charles Haley, but the game has changed.

 

[Smitty]

I’d be great with Gregory if he could actually repeat what turns out to be one good game a year (as in year that he plays).

You can’t project one game as this guy’s normal.

If great play does become normal, then I’m homering out with the rest of y’all.

But 3.5 sacks all season is nothing to get excited about. Sorry.

He’s got 3.5 sacks in a backup role in half the season. There’s plenty of room to extrapolate out a bit. You don’t put all your eggs in one basket but you are allowed to feel good about it.

 

[Smitty]

Why is it always “at times” with Gregory?

You can’t compare sacks per snap between situational pass rushers and full time DEs. You know this.

Lawrence and Watt have triple Gregory’s count. You can rely on them. They are always on the field and the opposing offense must account for them on every play.

Gregory should be in his prime, but he’s still a part time player.

So can we wait at least one game before anointing the guy?

Or blow my mind and let’s see it for say... a season? Is that too unfair?

So you are hinging your diabtribe on his drug troubles...? I think we all get that, duh.

Given his progress and the shifting stance of the league on the subject I think we are feeling good that those troubles are more or less over .... but regardless we are discussing him as a football player.

 

[ravidubey]

I don't think at his peak coming out from college that he was ever viewed as a complete DE.

Turn him loose as a situational rusher and you get 6 sacks, that is a win. I know it is no Charles Haley, but the game has changed.

All totally correct.

So this is the standard for dominant? We handicap our compliments because he’s part time and inconsistent?

‘Dominant’ is how I’d describe TJ Watt or Aaron Donald in 2020. Not a guy splitting time at RE with under 4 sacks.

Gregory was viewed as a top ten pick and slid because of his pot habit.

When he’s played the best he’s done is show flashes here and there.

We keep hoping we have yet to see the best from Gregory, and we still will be heading into what would have been his sixth season.

Frankly he needs a better team to get the most for himself, This enabling atmosphere is terrible for players having difficulty reaching their potential.

 

[NoDak]

If Gregory is still splitting time and under 4 sacks this time next year, then I'll worry.

But has he ever had a full offseason then headed into a season without a suspension hanging over his head? Granted, that was self inflicted due to the rules in place at the time. But that shit is gone, and I'd at least like to see what he can do with a full offseason behind him and full season of play before I give up on him. He's shown enough in limited time to at least warrant that.

 

[ravidubey]

If Gregory is still splitting time and under 4 sacks this time next year, then I'll worry.

But has he ever had a full offseason then headed into a season without a suspension hanging over his head? Granted, that was self inflicted due to the rules in place at the time. But that shit is gone, and I'd at least like to see what he can do with a full offseason behind him and full season of play before I give up on him. He's shown enough in limited time to at least warrant that.

I hear you, I really do. Flashing potential is one thing, and doing it game in and game out over a full season is another. Not an easy thing.

If you projected David Irving's performance over full seasons he'd probably have shattered all Cowboy and maybe NFL records. That obviously didn't happen-- and no one expected it, really.

While Irving was an NFL castoff, I think with pedigreed players like Gregory we tend to assume positive performance should be the norm when we see even the flash of talent. I say he should have already proven this a while back, and he probably is what he is.

His getting to be a steady, dominant performer year in and year out-- that will be a major uphill climb.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Yeah, I'm with Ravi on this. RG might be a nice spot player, and that's better than nothing, but you can't ever count on him. At least I wouldn't until he can put it on the tape for at least one season.

It doesn't matter that much because he's under contract at a low price... unless they pass on a top pass rusher expressly because of him.

 

[Rev]

Yeah, I'm with Ravi on this. RG might be a nice spot player, and that's better than nothing, but you can't ever count on him. At least I wouldn't until he can put it on the tape for at least one season.

It doesn't matter that much because he's under contract at a low price... unless they pass on a top pass rusher expressly because of him.

You could only not count on him because of the pot. That isnt an issue anymore and the fact that he stayed in as good a shape as he did to come back shows the drive for the game.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You could only not count on him because of the pot.

Yeah, that's the part I doubt. Every other player can use it and be fine, so why couldn't he? I think he has other psychological issues we aren't privy to. Even Stephen Jones has alluded to his issues, and I don't think it's just that he likes to smoke a ton.

And hey, maybe you guys are right and he'll be perfectly fine from now on. I'm just saying, prove it for a year or two. He hasn't earned any benefit of the doubt IMO.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

You could only not count on him because of the pot. That isnt an issue anymore and the fact that he stayed in as good a shape as he did to come back shows the drive for the game.

We have seen enough from Gregory to at least feel like he can be a good starting DE. Now we have seen flashes that he could be more but I feel pretty good about Gregory at DE.

 

[data]

@ravidubey Im surprised you’re not a RG fan. He even looks like Lamar Jackson

 

[Rev]

Yeah, that's the part I doubt. Every other player can use it and be fine, so why couldn't he? I think he has other psychological issues we aren't privy to. Even Stephen Jones has alluded to his issues, and I don't think it's just that he likes to smoke a ton.

And hey, maybe you guys are right and he'll be perfectly fine from now on. I'm just saying, prove it for a year or two. He hasn't earned any benefit of the doubt IMO.

He couldn't smoke it because he got caught when they were testing for it. Then was put on the automatic testing instead of random. Dont think others were allowed. They were just not caught.

As long as they aren't testing for it I dont see an issue.

 

[ravidubey]

He couldn't smoke it because he got caught when they were testing for it. Then was put on the automatic testing instead of random. Dont think others were allowed. They were just not caught.

As long as they aren't testing for it I dont see an issue.

The pot treated the symptoms of something else for Gregory. We have yet to see over the course of a full year what that means for him.

Also, they are still testing for pot, and though they can no longer suspend a player because of a positive test, they can and will fine the player in increasing amounts.

For frequent offenders like Gregory this could nearly be the same thing as a suspension. Maybe even worse, since he'd be playing for free while risking injury on the field.

We have seen enough from Gregory to at least feel like he can be a good starting DE. Now we have seen flashes that he could be more but I feel pretty good about Gregory at DE.

Yeah, no one is saying we kick him off the team.

I'm asking if you believe Gregory is 'Dominant'?

 

[Rev]

The pot treated the symptoms of something else for Gregory. We have yet to see over the course of a full year what that means for him.

Also, they are still testing for pot, and though they can no longer suspend a player because of a positive test, they can and will fine the player in increasing amounts.

For frequent offenders like Gregory this could nearly be the same thing as a suspension. Maybe even worse, since he'd be playing for free while risking injury on the field.


Yeah, no one is saying we kick him off the team.

I'm asking if you believe Gregory is 'Dominant'?

So in other words he will be on the field regardless of whether he smokes pot or not. Has he said that he is smoking or just an assumption? He could have passed that year that was stated.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The pot treated the symptoms of something else for Gregory. We have yet to see over the course of a full year what that means for him.

Also, they are still testing for pot, and though they can no longer suspend a player because of a positive test, they can and will fine the player in increasing amounts.

For frequent offenders like Gregory this could nearly be the same thing as a suspension. Maybe even worse, since he'd be playing for free while risking injury on the field.


Yeah, no one is saying we kick him off the team.

I'm asking if you believe Gregory is 'Dominant'?

He is dominant at times and a very good player all the time. Hopefully he can step it up and be dominant more often. But at worst he is a very good DE.