Election Chatter Thread...

[skidadl]

I don't see how Trump has a chance at this point in Michigan or Wisconsin, and in that case, it's over. Even PA doesn't matter, it's not enough.

He needs Pennsylvania AND Michigan or Wisconsin, and he's gonna get neither.

He still may not even get PA, even though that looks a bit better right now.

Yeah, Trump appears to be toast.

 

[Simpleton]

Meh, it's not the end of the world. Looks like the Senate is staying at least 52 R's, if not 53.

Biden will be a toothless old fool who will probably mess things up or be incompetent enough due to his advanced age, and with the Senate out of his control he cannot push through federal judges or Supreme Court nominees en masse or pass any radical legislation like court packing or state expansion for at least 2 years (and by that time, some of the "we have to radically change things," fervor will have died down because people have short memories and will no longer be fuming at the Trump administration).

Additionally, I can't recall a more vulnerable incumbent on Day 1 of a presidency in my lifetime; he will face a very strong challenge in '24. The Republican roster looks like it can destroy him in four years - Crenshaw, Haley, Rubio, etc. Even if he straight up passes away in office (not that I'm hoping for that) or is otherwise removed or resigns, Harris is not a strong candidate at all other than her skin color and gender. She was like the first person out in the primaries because she was so terrible.

It's also reason to be somewhat optimistic about the long term prognosis for Republicans. Trump had a unique brand that maybe attracted some minorities and other blue collar types, but it's a signal that those types are there to be won by the Republicans. On the other hand, it's pretty obvious that Trump has lost this election due to his odious personality and inability (rigged against him though it was) to put to bed the scandals of his first term. Without those, he's cruising to another 300 point EC win.

Nominate someone normal in 2024 like those types you mentioned, Cruz, whoever, and go from there. Get away from this crackpot anti-American declaring votes should stop being counted bullshit from this wannabe dictator.

If Trump runs again in 2024 or if it's some wackjob like Bongino or even one of Trump's kids and things will be a mess, the Republicans need to get back to someone who isn't being repudiated by his Secretary of Defense for being antithetical to what this country stands for.

 

[Cotton]

Get away from this crackpot anti-American

Could have sworn you were talking Biden here when I first read this.

 

[midswat]

 

[Smitty]

Yeah, Trump appears to be toast.

And like I said, it might end up being better this way.

Trump is only going to racchet up the discontent if he got 4 more years, but what else is there for him to accomplish? He's filled substantial court seats. He passed tax reform. He cut regulation. He essentially ended Obamacare. He has no more signature legislation on the horizon given that the Democrats hold the house.

And now that the Senate will stay Republican, there is no real fear that Biden can pack the courts with extra seats or add more states (at least for 2 years - and frankly probably not then either because the passion for that fight will be gone after 2 years of sleepy Joe at the wheel).

And a Trump loss in 2020 makes a Republican win in 2024 way more likely. It's simply very difficult to get a third term in a row. Now the Republicans won't need to accomplish that mega-feat. They will instead need to beat a very beatable incumbent in 2024. Which is the next time period when it appears there may be truly important matters on the docket (like perhaps the replacement of Clarence Thomas, who probably lasts 4 more years but I don't know about 8 more).

 

[midswat]

@Smitty I think my biggest concern is Joe very clearly has sundown syndrome. He will be replaced by Harris before long. And that ain’t good for merica.

more than that though - Biden “winning” shows how corrupt and crooked the left and msm is and how they control the narrative and the masses.

bottom line is we’re fucked. This country is toast.

 

[skidadl]

So does this mean that Kanye is out?

 

[Smitty]

@Smitty I think my biggest concern is Joe very clearly has sundown syndrome. He will be replaced by Harris before long. And that ain’t good for merica.

more than that though - Biden “winning” shows how corrupt and crooked the left and msm is and how they control the narrative and the masses.

bottom line is we’re fucked. This country is toast.

Harris isn't any better. No one likes her at all.

The one wildcard she has is the race/gender card to play, but again, I suspect the state of things in America is going to be pretty lousy.

There is a huge wave of foreclosures and bankruptcies coming. It's going to be a 2008-like mess that Biden/Harris are going to try to blame on Trump but is really no one's fault but the coronavirus.... still.... Biden/Harris are going to preside over this mess. Couple that with the fact that they aren't going to get much else of substance passed for at least 2 years, and people are going to be restless.

A smart, likeable, charismatic Republican has as good a chance as you can have on Day 1 of a Democrat administration to win in 4 years.

I mean, if you can't win future elections, that's always bad. But as for damage today, and in the next four years, it's not gonna be much. They can't do any of the things we truly feared. And they are gonna preside over a tanking economy which will push voters the other way. Frankly if you have to lose elections from time to time (and you do), then this is the one to lose.

 

[Smitty]

More good news, if you are looking for some, is that across the board, Republicans outperformed "tossup" and "lean democrat," projections for both Senate and House races. They lost almost no seats anywhere that leaned Republican.

Re: the House, they are taking the overwhelming majority of House toss ups. They are taking a simple majority of house Democrat leans. And they are even poaching a few "safe democrat" house races (about 10).

Re: the Senate, they again are losing not a single safe Republican or lean Republican race. They are taking every single toss up so far. They are even clinging to a slim lead in a Democrat-lean in Michigan.

I mean, this tells you, there are people out there voting Republican but not voting for Trump.

Because he's so unlikable.

 

[skidadl]

Thankfully the coronavirus will disappear with Biden in office. According to Biden, "we gonna make cornavirs basically go awy...triple testing and make mask domestically..."

BTW, what's up with Biden's speech? Drunk grandpa?

 

[Cotton]

Thankfully the coronavirus will disappear with Biden in office. According to Biden, "we gonna make cornavirs basically go awy...triple testing and make mask domestically..."

BTW, what's up with Biden's speech? Drunk grandpa?

The Rona will definitely go away if Biden ends up winning this thing, but it isn't going to be because of a damn thing that Biden does.

 

[skidadl]

The Rona will definitely go away if Biden ends up winning this thing, but it isn't going to be because of a damn thing that Biden does.

Psh, Joe will stop it dead in its tracks, pal! This guy is a virus stopper!

 

[Cotton]

Biden's lead in MI jumped to 25k, but is now down to 11k.

 

[Smitty]

If Trump can hold onto PA, he still needs Michigan OR Wisconsin OR Nevada.

He's trailing small in all those states, but again, they are likely counting Democrat votes at this point.

If he can't hold onto PA, there's not much else to talk about. He would need Michigan AND Wisconsin, or Michigan AND Nevada.

 

[skidadl]

I want to go back to one of my previous points. I'm most disappointed that nobody on the right held Trump accountable form his repugnant demeanor. Lots of people would have voted for him had he at least tried. Now we have Joe as a result. My point is, is it more important have Trump win or is it more important to stick to a stupid principal of, "I didn't vote for him because he was nice, I voted because of what he could do.." Well, congrats on standing on your principals but now he lost.

 

[Cotton]

If Trump can hold onto PA, he still needs Michigan OR Wisconsin OR Nevada.

He's trailing small in all those states, but again, they are likely counting Democrat votes at this point.

If he can't hold onto PA, there's not much else to talk about. He would need Michigan AND Wisconsin, or Michigan AND Nevada.

WI, MI, and NV are extremely close. I don't think you can say definitively that they are only counting Dem votes now since Trump has gained 13k in the las half hour in MI.

 

[Sheik]

Are you guys paying attention to how Trump’s lead disappeared?

Wisconsin went from Trump up 102k, to Biden getting 138k to Trump’s 0?

This was the worst possible way to determine a winner. This is going to be worse than Bush v Gore.

 

[Smitty]

PS, expect the Breyer retirement in 2-4 years. He will wait to see if they can flip the Senate in 2022, but if not, they will not chance losing to a Republican again in '24 with another Republican Senate completely flipping that seat. It would become 7-2 Republicans on the SC. Breyer, at 82, retires this Presidential term, book it, even if it means they can only get a Merrick Garland-like aging moderate to replace him. They will take what they can get, hope they get a decade out of him, and try again with new Demographics in 2032.

 

[Smitty]

Are you guys paying attention to how Trump’s lead disappeared?

Wisconsin went from Trump up 102k, to Biden getting 138k to Trump’s 0?

This was the worst possible way to determine a winner. This is going to be worse than Bush v Gore.

Very well could be the case. They said it was all mail in ballots getting dropped at once, but 138k to zero makes very little sense. What sample size was that from? Were they pre-sorted?

 

[Sheik]

Very well could be the case. They said it was all mail in ballots getting dropped at once, but 138k to zero makes very little sense. What sample size was that from? Were they pre-sorted?

Idk, that chart floating around where Biden spikes after 3am in the most dramatic fashion, that makes you wonder if they could have possibly sorted ballots and forgot to count them at some point during the evening.

Nobody hand counts ballots, though. Right?

I’m not claiming it’s fraudulent, I have no reason to believe it is, other than it seems really odd.