2020 Season | Week 4 | Gameday Chatter | Browns @ Cowboys | 10/4/2020

[bbgun]

That squib kick was fucking atrocious. I still don't understand the line of thinking there. You should have wanted to pin them as deep as you can there and pray to all that his holy the defense can get a stop giving you a shorter field to work with to at least get the FG. Just baffled my mind.

Jason Whitlock:

On Sunday, trailing the Browns by three points with nearly four minutes on the clock and two timeouts in his pocket, McCarthy attempted an onside kick rather than kicking it deep.

It’s the dumbest decision I’ve seen this year. I could be talked into believing it’s one of the dumbest decisions in recent NFL history. Hell, it might be the dumbest decision in football history. Please tell me a dumber one.

Cleveland’s offense was sputtering. Baker Mayfield was leaking oil. Cleveland had blown a 41-14 advantage. On its previous possession, Mayfield overthrew Odell Beckham Jr., who was wide open.

Since the safety rule changes, no one recovers onside kicks anymore. McCarthy bizarrely set the Browns up at midfield. Cleveland smartly turned aggressive, giving OBJ the ball on a reverse. OBJ ran 50 yards into the end zone, icing the game.

What McCarthy did is fireable and unforgivable. His decision-making the first four weeks has been baffling. He’s trying way too hard to prove he’s a great coach.

 

[Simpleton]

I agree that McCarthy is trying way too hard to be on the cutting edge, all of these decisions to go for 4th downs and such feel so forced.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Just lazy. Sad thing is if Griffen makes the play the Browns are screwed. We just aren't making any plays at all. The hustle is shit and Jaylon looks scared of contact.

 

[Cotton]

 

[Cowboysrock55]

No fucking reason for a facemask there either. Dude is already wrapped up.

 

[Texas Ace]

Wow.

They called that an unnecessary roughness penalty?

How? Why? For what?

You ought to be able to challenge shit like that.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Just an awful flag. I have no idea how you can call it. Absolutely should be allowed to be reviewed.

 

[Texas Ace]

Just an awful flag. I have no idea how you can call it. Absolutely should be allowed to be reviewed.

Egregiously bad calls need to be either challengeable or reviewed as they happen by a booth.

There is no excuse for a call that bad, and even less of an excuse for it to stand when it obvious that it was a horribly bad call.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Wow.

They called that an unnecessary roughness penalty?

How? Why? For what?

You ought to be able to challenge shit like that.

Not just a tough call, a horrific one. Big call in the game and absolutely dumbfounding. Still irritates me today. Ridiculous.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Egregiously bad calls need to be either challengeable or reviewed as they happen by a booth.

There is no excuse for a call that bad, and even less of an excuse for it to stand when it obvious that it was a horribly bad call.

I've long been a big proponent of allowing challenges to any call at any time. Let the coaches decide whether they want to risk a timeout. Where's the downside?

Plays/calls like this shouldn't be allowed to stand unchallenged. That was unreal.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Not just a tough call, a horrific one. Big call in the game and absolutely dumbfounding. Still irritates me today. Ridiculous.

We played like shit and at the time it didn't look like the call would mean anything in this game. Still doesn't make it justifiable in any way. If you're making that call you need to be sure something actually happened. It didn't and it boggles my mind that an official thinks its ok to call that.

 

[Genghis Khan]

One of the biggest plays in the game, and just absolutely brain dead.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

One of the biggest plays in the game, and just absolutely brain dead.

Still no idea why you grab the face mask there. If you're beat I see facemasks happen out of desperation. But this is jist fucking pathetic. You're late to the play and you grab his facemask for no reason. Go for the ball, do something, but I have no idea what goes through Jaylons head anymore.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I have no idea what goes through Jaylons head anymore.

 

[P_T]

Jason Whitlock:

On Sunday, trailing the Browns by three points with nearly four minutes on the clock and two timeouts in his pocket, McCarthy attempted an onside kick rather than kicking it deep.

It’s the dumbest decision I’ve seen this year. I could be talked into believing it’s one of the dumbest decisions in recent NFL history. Hell, it might be the dumbest decision in football history. Please tell me a dumber one.

Cleveland’s offense was sputtering. Baker Mayfield was leaking oil. Cleveland had blown a 41-14 advantage. On its previous possession, Mayfield overthrew Odell Beckham Jr., who was wide open.

Since the safety rule changes, no one recovers onside kicks anymore. McCarthy bizarrely set the Browns up at midfield. Cleveland smartly turned aggressive, giving OBJ the ball on a reverse. OBJ ran 50 yards into the end zone, icing the game.

What McCarthy did is fireable and unforgivable. His decision-making the first four weeks has been baffling. He’s trying way too hard to prove he’s a great coach.

It wasn't an onside kick, he tried to have it scoot along the the ground and stop short of the EZ, and hopefully the returner would screw up (as he almost did a few drives earlier). Z just mis-kicked it.

 

[lostxn]

We played like shit and at the time it didn't look like the call would mean anything in this game. Still doesn't make it justifiable in any way. If you're making that call you need to be sure something actually happened. It didn't and it boggles my mind that an official thinks its ok to call that.

Yeah watching it live it was totally clean. That ref threw that flag before the guys hit the ground. For some reason he wanted to call that no matter what. Kind of like a QB deciding where the ball was going at the snap damn the coverage. At the time we all were annoyed but blew it off in a total rout. In the end, it was a call that contributed to the Cowboy's loss. But hey, in the end that defense was going to find some way to lose that game. See OBJ's ridiculous 50 yard TD.

 

[lostxn]

Jason Whitlock:

On Sunday, trailing the Browns by three points with nearly four minutes on the clock and two timeouts in his pocket, McCarthy attempted an onside kick rather than kicking it deep.

It’s the dumbest decision I’ve seen this year. I could be talked into believing it’s one of the dumbest decisions in recent NFL history. Hell, it might be the dumbest decision in football history. Please tell me a dumber one.

Cleveland’s offense was sputtering. Baker Mayfield was leaking oil. Cleveland had blown a 41-14 advantage. On its previous possession, Mayfield overthrew Odell Beckham Jr., who was wide open.

Since the safety rule changes, no one recovers onside kicks anymore. McCarthy bizarrely set the Browns up at midfield. Cleveland smartly turned aggressive, giving OBJ the ball on a reverse. OBJ ran 50 yards into the end zone, icing the game.

What McCarthy did is fireable and unforgivable. His decision-making the first four weeks has been baffling. He’s trying way too hard to prove he’s a great coach.

I disagree utterly with this. Did you watch the defense? Also, OBJ scored from 50. Well we would have scored from 80. Jaylon only caught him because he slowed to showboat. The defense was going to find a way to lose. Anyone who thinks differently didn't watch the whole game.

Nolan must go. Today.

 

[Genghis Khan]

It wasn't an onside kick, he tried to have it scoot along the the ground and stop short of the EZ, and hopefully the returner would screw up (as he almost did a few drives earlier). Z just mis-kicked it.

They had an enormous amount of momentum at that point, were down 3 and had plenty of time.

Just kick it deep and pin them back as much as possible.

Even if they were trying to squib it, there's no need for it.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I disagree utterly with this. Did you watch the defense? Also, OBJ scored from 50. Well we would have scored from 80. Jaylon only caught him because he slowed to showboat. The defense was going to find a way to lose. Anyone who thinks differently didn't watch the whole game.

Nolan must go. Today.

I don't think they run a reverse at their own 25. The field position after the kickoff changed their entire strategy.

 

[bbgun]

I disagree utterly with this. Did you watch the defense? Also, OBJ scored from 50. Well we would have scored from 80. Jaylon only caught him because he slowed to showboat. The defense was going to find a way to lose. Anyone who thinks differently didn't watch the whole game.

Nolan must go. Today.

There was a little over three minutes left and we had a bit of momentum. Pinning them deep is a better option than setting them up at midfield, where it only takes one pass to put them in FG position. It was a desperate move, but we weren't technically desperate yet.