2020 Season | Week 4 | Gameday Chatter | Browns @ Cowboys | 10/4/2020

[lostxn]

Atlanta was one thing, then they played probably the MVP frontrunner so it's somewhat understandable, but even after two terrible performances they somehow came out and played significantly worse against a so-so opponent.

Our defense is historically terrible, I don't think there's any "waking up" with these guys. The offense could carry them to 8-8 and a division win maybe but what's even the point?

Don't you feel that this defense isn't worst in the league bad talent-wise? I think a good coach could make this an average defense. That's enough to give us a shot at a run. I'm not giving up on this season 4 games in with this stellar offense. Screw that. Something must be done though. Probably multiple things.

 

[armadillooutlaw]

This defense is absolutely trash.
I'd rather get a high draft pick rather than make the playoffs JUST because the division is so bad...
I would seriously consider trying to move off Zeke, Jaylon and Lawrence or just cut them.
If they miraculously turn things around then my tune will change, obviously.

 

[Tony D]

Hyder just played a all around game better than all our DL has all season.

 

[lostxn]

This defense is absolutely trash.
I'd rather get a high draft pick rather than make the playoffs JUST because the division is so bad...
I would seriously consider trying to move off Zeke, Jaylon and Lawrence or just cut them.
If they miraculously turn things around then my tune will change, obviously.

None of those is prudent cap-wise.

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[Simpleton]

Don't you feel that this defense isn't worst in the league bad talent-wise? I think a good coach could make this an average defense. That's enough to give us a shot at a run. I'm not giving up on this season 4 games in with this stellar offense. Screw that. Something must be done though. Probably multiple things.

No I don't think it is but I honestly think it would take something nearly miraculous just to get them to average.

I knew they were bad coming into today but I had hope over time they'd improve within the scheme. That was before today, which I think was literally a bottom 5 defensive performance in this team's history.

 

[lostxn]

If Beathard had played the whole game, 49ers would have won.

 

[lostxn]

Dale Hansen calling for Nolan to be fired now...

 

[boozeman]

Go fuck yourself, you entitled piece of shit.

 

[p1_]

We should be 0-4, honestly

 

[Texas Ace]

Game wasn't on TV here so I didn't get to watch, but that sure seems like a good thing.

After reading up on that game reports and going through this gameday chatter, it sounds to me like Nolan needs to go now. The defense is going to be historically bad if he stays (maybe even if he goes).

To me, it's about sending an early message to your team, while the season is still salvageable, that their awful and sloppy play just isn't good enough.

Again, I didn't watch the game so I don't know if this criticism is misplaced, but I see a lot of empty stats in Dak's performance.

Scoring all those points and racking up all those yards might look nice on the stat sheet and it might even help him at the negotiating table, but what stands out to me is how the offense, against the freaking Cleveland Browns, couldn't at least score a couple times in the 2nd and 3rd quarters to remain competitive.

Maybe it's not all on Dak, but seeing no points scored for 2 whole quarters, is an eye sore.

It's not his fault that they lost that game, but if he's as great and underappreciated as some might have you believe, I don't see how that happens. You cannot go scoreless for half the game, especially as the Browns are racking up points.

And finally, it was not a mistake, not even in the slightest, to fire that loser Jason Garrett. But I am starting to wonder if who we chose to replace him with was indeed a mistake.

I am just in shock at how awful the Cowboys look and how sloppy the play is each and every week. It is inexcusable for this team to look this bad and every single member of that coaching staff needs to answer for that.

 

[Simpleton]

Game wasn't on TV here so I didn't get to watch, but that sure seems like a good thing.

After reading up on that game reports and going through this gameday chatter, it sounds to me like Nolan needs to go now. The defense is going to be historically bad if he stays (maybe even if he goes).

To me, it's about sending an early message to your team, while the season is still salvageable, that their awful and sloppy play just isn't good enough.

Again, I didn't watch the game so I don't know if this criticism is misplaced, but I see a lot of empty stats in Dak's performance.

Scoring all those points and racking up all those yards might look nice on the stat sheet and it might even help him at the negotiating table, but what stands out to me is how the offense, against the freaking Cleveland Browns, couldn't at least score a couple times in the 2nd and 3rd quarters to remain competitive.

Maybe it's not all on Dak, but seeing no points scored for 2 whole quarters, is an eye sore.

It's not his fault that they lost that game, but if he's as great and underappreciated as some might have you believe, I don't see how that happens. You cannot go scoreless for half the game, especially as the Browns are racking up points.

And finally, it was not a mistake, not even in the slightest, to fire that loser Jason Garrett. But I am starting to wonder if who we chose to replace him with was indeed a mistake.

I am just in shock at how awful the Cowboys look and how sloppy the play is each and every week. It is inexcusable for this team to look this bad and every single member of that coaching staff needs to answer for that.

I wouldn't blame Dak too much, he was on fire in the 1st quarter and then things went to shit with turnovers in the 2nd and the Browns completely controlling the clock.

He could've easily had another INT or two but that's what happens when you're taking risks. I believe we only had the ball maybe 4 times between the 2nd and 3rd quarter and two of those drives ended in turnovers, one of which was Elliott's fault, one was sort of Dak's but mostly Steele's for getting his ass whipped by Garrett and giving up the strip sack.

Dak certainly made a handful of mistakes but he was by far the least of our problems yesterday.

I don't think he's a guy who will ever be in that top 2-3 QB in the league category but I think he's pretty solidly in that 6-8 range, maybe even a year here or there he sneaks up to 4-5, and a competent organization can win with that even if they're overpaid.

Hell, the 49ers should've won the Super Bowl last year paying shit head Garropolo, who is nowhere near the top 10, maybe not even the top 15, nearly 30/year.

 

[1bigfan13]

Hey Fat Ass Lily...

What's your preferred body type? Something like Leslie Mann?

 

[1bigfan13]

This defense is absolutely trash.
I'd rather get a high draft pick rather than make the playoffs JUST because the division is so bad...
I would seriously consider trying to move off Zeke, Jaylon and Lawrence or just cut them.
If they miraculously turn things around then my tune will change, obviously.

They'd just waste the pick on TE or something. Or if they do actually use it on a DL they'll pass over the higher rated player for some inferior schlub.

And you can forget about taking a top safety. They don't even consider safety until the 4th round rolls around.

 

[Simpleton]

We've had 2 drives out of about 50 over 4 games with starting field position at our own 40 or better. Over 4 games that's literally like 98% of our drives starting inside our own 40.

We've also had the lead for about 12 total minutes out of 240 over 4 games.

This shit is just beyond the imagination honestly.

 

[L.T. Fan]

They'd just waste the pick on TE or something. Or if they do actually use it on a DL they'll pass over the higher rated player for some inferior schlub.

And you can forget about taking a top safety. They don't even consider safety until the 4th round rolls around.

In that vane, the tight end position seems pretty solid this season. The entire receiving group is pretty outstanding. I think they should be utilized as the primary strength but I am afraid the running game must be out of their fences for some reason. Some attribute the OL as not being effective but there is something out of sync with both Elliot and Pollard

 

[Simpleton]

Schultz is perfectly fine, surprisingly. He isn't just making routine catches in wide open spaces, he's flashing the ability to make downfield/contested catches in traffic, like the TD yesterday and a couple plays against the Falcons. Combine that with what we have at WR, not to mention Jarwin, and I'd completely write off TE as a possibility in the first 2 rounds next year.

I don't give a shit if the CeeDee Lamb of TE's is sitting there in the 1st (Kyle Pitts perhaps?), we better be taking K'Lavon Chaisson.

 

[1bigfan13]

I wouldn't blame Dak too much, he was on fire in the 1st quarter and then things went to shit with turnovers in the 2nd and the Browns completely controlling the clock.

He could've easily had another INT or two but that's what happens when you're taking risks. I believe we only had the ball maybe 4 times between the 2nd and 3rd quarter and two of those drives ended in turnovers, one of which was Elliott's fault, one was sort of Dak's but mostly Steele's for getting his ass whipped by Garrett and giving up the strip sack.

Dak certainly made a handful of mistakes but he was by far the least of our problems yesterday.

I don't think he's a guy who will ever be in that top 2-3 QB in the league category but I think he's pretty solidly in that 6-8 range, maybe even a year here or there he sneaks up to 4-5, and a competent organization can win with that even if they're overpaid.

Hell, the 49ers should've won the Super Bowl last year paying shit head Garropolo, who is nowhere near the top 10, maybe not even the top 15, nearly 30/year.

Unfortunately at this moment the Cowboys are unable to play complimentary football. That's what the 49ers were able to do with Jimmy G.

If we had an OL that could run block worth a damn, we'd be able to lean on the running game more and keep the defense on the sideline in order to mitigate some of the damage. But because of the turnovers and the nonexistent run game, they're stuck having to try to win games through the air. Which usually means you're losing the TOP battle and exposing your defense to more snaps.

 

[Simpleton]

Unfortunately at this moment the Cowboys are unable to play complimentary football. That's what the 49ers were able to do with Jimmy G.

If we had an OL that could run block worth a damn, we'd be able to lean on the running game more and keep the defense on the sideline in order to mitigate some of the damage. But because of the turnovers and the nonexistent run game, they're stuck having to try to win games through the air. Which usually means you're losing the TOP battle and exposing your defense to more snaps.

Yea, that's part of what I mean when I say a "competent organization".

 

[1bigfan13]

Schultz is perfectly fine, surprisingly. He isn't just making routine catches in wide open spaces, he's flashing the ability to make downfield/contested catches in traffic, like the TD yesterday and a couple plays against the Falcons. Combine that with what we have at WR, not to mention Jarwin, and I'd completely write off TE as a possibility in the first 2 rounds next year.

I don't give a shit if the CeeDee Lamb of TE's is sitting there in the 1st (Kyle Pitts perhaps?), we better be taking K'Lavon Chaisson.

Watching Schultz look this good I can't help but think how he and Jarwin were held back just so Witten could get one last run. Classic example of this franchise's continuing reluctance to adhere to the merit system when it comes to hiring coaches and doling out playing time.

Not getting to a NFCCG in 25 years doesn't happen by accident.

 

[Cotton]

I think the most frustrating part is our offense is playing at SB caliber levels. Our run blocking could use some work, but considering injuries, I would say we are doing really well on the offensive side of the ball. If the defense could just look halfway ass decent we would be winning a lot more ballgames. But, they look like shit, so we aren't winning anything unless Chido and Brown coming back turns this dumpster fire around, which I am skeptical of at this point.