The Coronavirus Thread...

[jsmith6919]

 

[Chocolate Lab]

We need an over riding force that is trusted who educates and forces a plan nationwide so its effective.

 

[Cotton]

 

[L.T. Fan]

In the meantime Pelosi appoints Committee to investigate. What a deal.

 

[yimyammer]

And, you think that is the government?

If the government ever has a place and opportunity to do something good on a nationwide scale, this would be a great time to harness that power

Having said that, I'm certainly open and would love to see this solved by the private sector but even Bill Gate with all his money knew this was an issue in 2015 yet couldn't do anything to have the nation prepared besides warning everyone in a Ted Talk (I'm sure his foundation did more than that).

what's your suggestion? (not being argumentative or dismissive, I genuinely would love to hear viable alternatives)

 

[yimyammer]

They have become quite adept at fucking over their employers.

How do you figure? It seems to me they set employees up for life, they can rarely be fired and once they start an agency that takes in and spends money, it takes an act of God to stop it.

I could be wrong but I think the US Postal Service should probably be shut down. It runs a loss of billions per year and I'm sure thats largely due to retirement salaries

 

[yimyammer]

you guys know I'm not for this type bullshit

what are you're suggestions?

Its easy to be a critic, tell me how we avoid this in the future and curtail it now ASAP

 

[jsmith6919]

How do you figure? It seems to me they set employees up for life, they can rarely be fired and once they start an agency that takes in and spends money, it takes an act of God to stop it.

I could be wrong but I think the US Postal Service should probably be shut down. It runs a loss of billions per year and I'm sure thats largely due to retirement salaries

He means us, the govt is supposed to work for us

 

[yimyammer]

not sure what tracking these stats accomplishes but here they are nonetheless

the fatality rate has increased substantially over the last week

 

[jsmith6919]

 

[Cotton]

If the government ever has a place and opportunity to do something good on a nationwide scale, this would be a great time to harness that power

Having said that, I'm certainly open and would love to see this solved by the private sector but even Bill Gate with all his money knew this was an issue in 2015 yet couldn't do anything to have the nation prepared besides warning everyone in a Ted Talk (I'm sure his foundation did more than that).

what's your suggestion? (not being argumentative or dismissive, I genuinely would love to hear viable alternatives)

We have overcome worse, with far less technology in the medical field in the past. And, we did it with very little government interference. We are a resilient people. Sure, there are idiots out there, but there were idiots out there during the last 5 pandemics, too, and we pulled through that. I know that's not what you're looking for, but that is my opinion on it.

 

[Cotton]

How do you figure? It seems to me they set employees up for life, they can rarely be fired and once they start an agency that takes in and spends money, it takes an act of God to stop it.

I could be wrong but I think the US Postal Service should probably be shut down. It runs a loss of billions per year and I'm sure thats largely due to retirement salaries

Employers in my statement was referring to the citizens.

 

[yimyammer]

We have overcome worse, with far less technology in the medical field in the past. And, we did it with very little government interference. We are a resilient people. Sure, there are idiots out there, but there were idiots out there during the last 5 pandemics, too, and we pulled through that. I know that's not what you're looking for, but that is my opinion on it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, in the current scenario, are you saying you would prefer no government intervention on any level?

In your dream scenario, how would you like to have seen things play out since discovering a virus had broken out in China?

and PS...I'm always simply looking for the truth, I dont have an easy answer "I'm looking for" on how to address what we're going through. It does seem to me we could have been better prepared

 

[Cotton]

Correct me if I'm wrong, in the current scenario, are you saying you would prefer no government intervention on any level?

In your dream scenario, how would you like to have seen things play out since discovering a virus had broken out in China?

and PS...I'm always simply looking for the truth, I dont have an easy answer "I'm looking for" on how to address what we're going through. It does seem to me we could have been better prepared

The government is supposed to protect the people. I get that. But, think of how many people lost everything because of mandated shutdowns. I'm all for being safe, but it shouldn't be mandated. We are not China. We (I) take our liberties very seriously. We start giving them up for nay reason, they will get taken away at the very next opportunity the government deems fit. I know this sounds heartless, but we step out on that slope and we very well may never get back off the slope.

 

[yimyammer]

The government is supposed to protect the people. I get that. But, think of how many people lost everything because of mandated shutdowns. I'm all for being safe, but it shouldn't be mandated. We are not China. We (I) take our liberties very seriously. We start giving them up for nay reason, they will get taken away at the very next opportunity the government deems fit. I know this sounds heartless, but we step out on that slope and we very well may never get back off the slope.

I certainly feel you on civil liberties and big gov (I despise it and wish it was much smaller).

so IIYC, you would have no mandated shut-downs of anything in the country and no one be required to do anything of any sort?

I'm trying to envision how things would play out in your scenario

If I imagine a world where the gov or the news or some independent group of individuals people trust comes out and says:

"hey there's a bad virus out there, be careful. You might want to consider staying at home, shutting down your biz, safe distancing etc but thats all up to you individually to figure out. Thats all we're going to say on the matter, good luck everyone!"

laissez faire to the max y'all!

I do think if we did this, people would figure things out and adjust but I suspect the fatality rate would skyrocket and perhaps, and this is cold to say, thats the way life has to evolve. Maybe the planet can only hold so many of us before a disease or war or some other calamity has to get rid of our sorry asses.

 

[Cotton]

I certainly feel you on civil liberties and big gov (I despise it and wish it was much smaller).

so IIYC, you would have no mandated shut-downs of anything in the country and no one be required to do anything of any sort?

I'm trying to envision how things would play out in your scenario

If I imagine a world where the gov or the news or some independent group of individuals people trust comes out and says:

"hey there's a bad virus out there, be careful. You might want to consider staying at home, shutting down your biz, safe distancing etc but thats all up to you individually to figure out. Thats all we're going to say on the matter, good luck everyone!"

laissez faire to the max y'all!

I do think if we did this, people would figure things out and adjust but I suspect the fatality rate would skyrocket and perhaps, and this is cold to say, thats the way life has to evolve. Maybe the planet can only hold so many of us before a disease or war or some other calamity has to get rid of our sorry asses.

I am by no means saying that we should let it play out to rid ourselves of the idiots that wouldn't listen to the CDC and stay home, but I'm saying it would most likely get rid of the idiots that wouldn't listen to the CDC.

 

[yimyammer]

I am by no means saying that we should let it play out to rid ourselves of the idiots that wouldn't listen to the CDC and stay home, but I'm saying it would most likely get rid of the idiots that wouldn't listen to the CDC.

again, not trying to argue or play "gotcha" but isn't the CDC a government entity?

 

[Cotton]

again, not trying to argue or play "gotcha" but isn't the CDC a government entity?

There is a big difference between strong suggestions and outright mandates.

 

[yimyammer]

and to give you an idea of how I tend to think, I was interviewed years ago for a news channel in Roswell, New Mexico and they were asking folks what they thought about the new law making it illegal for people to ride in the back of a pick-up truck

When asked, I said, thats ridiculous, if people want to take that risk, its their choice, we dont need the nanny state intervening in everything in a futile effort to remove all risk from society

When they stopped rolling, we chatted with the reporter for a bit and my buddy asked her what the chances were of us making it on TV and she looked at me and said "Oh, you're definitely getting on TV!"

I laughed and asked why and she said "you're the first person we've interviewed all day that opposed the new law"

Then she said she needed more opposing views so she asked my buddy who agreed with the law to reinterview stating he opposed the law, which he agreed to do. We happen to be driving a pick up truck so she filmed us driving away while sitting in the pick up bed.

The beginnings of fake news?

I still feel the same way & I felt the same way when seat belts became a requirement. But upon reflection, I never wore a seat belt prior to the new law and now I couldn't imagine not doing it.

Am I better off for being persuaded by this law?

Was the law necessary?

Was the government over-reaching?

I'm not so sure what my answer is because I agree that I (and everyone should) wear a seat belt but I still dont like the government telling me I have to or be subjected to a fine

 

[yimyammer]

There is a big difference between strong suggestions and outright mandates.

So you feel that there should be some level of government but they shouldn't have any authority to force anyone to comply with their recommendations?