Trading Up for Kinlaw/Brown

[Simpleton]

I'd rather see who is available in the 2nd or 3rd, I just don't see enough of a drop between them and say Arnette, Pride, Dantzler to justify taking one of them even late in the 1st with a tradeback.

Definitely, if we trade back I'm looking at Gross-Matos, Baun, Winfield, Queen, Delpit, etc., maybe even Chaisson or McKinney make it down there.

I think booze would agree but he's just trying to accept a worst case scenario where we take like 2 CBs in the first three rounds, which I don't think is very likely.

 

[boozeman]

I'd rather see who is available in the 2nd or 3rd, I just don't see enough of a drop between them and say Arnette, Pride, Dantzler to justify taking one of them even late in the 1st with a tradeback.

They will not wait for a corner until the 2nd or especially the 3rd.

 

[jsmith6919]

They will not wait for a corner until the 2nd or especially the 3rd.

DFDC

 

[Stasheroo]

I prefer Gladney over Fulton, but only in a trade down.

In fact, that is what I want. That allows them to double dip at corner, which is what they will do anyways.

That's my thinking as well. The second and third rounds will be the sweet spots for corners and this team still needs to come away from this draft with two. As of today, I think their only corner under contract for 2021 is the recently re-signed Anthony Brown as both Lewis and Awuzie are free agents after this year. Time to restock already.

 

[Simpleton]

That's my thinking as well. The second and third rounds will be the sweet spots for corners and this team still needs to come away from this draft with two. As of today, I think their only corner under contract for 2021 is the recently re-signed Anthony Brown as both Lewis and Awuzie are free agents after this year. Time to restock already.

You don't need to draft 2 CB's in the first 3 rounds to stock up for a year from now, that's completely preposterous.

If the value is there, maybe, but there is just about no scenario where I can envision CB being value in the 1st unless Henderson is there at 17, and even then I'd rather go with someone like Chaisson.

 

[Stasheroo]

You don't need to draft 2 CB's in the first 3 rounds to stock up for a year from now, that's completely preposterous.

Good thing nobody said that. What was said was that the will likely come away with two corners from this draft.

If the value is there, maybe, but there is just about no scenario where I can envision CB being value in the 1st unless Henderson is there at 17, and even then I'd rather go with someone like Chaisson.

Your preferences may not line up with the team's. Take it from me, they often don't.

 

[Simpleton]

Good thing nobody said that. What was said was that the will likely come away with two corners from this draft.



Your preferences may not line up with the team's. Take it from me, they often don't.

You just said "that's my thinking as well", and that the 2nd/3rd is the sweet spot for CB's, in response to booze saying he prefers Gladney in a trade down in the 1st as a precursor to taking another soon thereafter.

 

[ravidubey]

Awuzie, Lewis, Brown, Canady, then I guess Goodwin and more scrubs.

Acceptable, though a clear downgrade from 2019.

Clinton-Dix, Xavier Woods, Donovan Wilson, and Darian Thompson are an upgrade overall from last years group.

Hard to see them not drafting at least one CB. I’m just praying it isn’t a first rounder.

 

[ravidubey]

They will not wait for a corner until the 2nd or especially the 3rd.

Why not the 2nd? I know Jones loves his CB safety nets covering up for his soft-assed defensive fronts, but we really are positioned for a BPA draft.

Sure too many FAs are stopgaps looking for follow on contracts with other teams, but I think all that means is more picks will be on defense overall, and I’m ok with that.

 

[Simpleton]

Awuzie, Lewis, Brown, Canady, then I guess Goodwin and more scrubs.

Acceptable, though a clear downgrade from 2019.

Clinton-Dix, Xavier Woods, Donovan Wilson, and Darian Thompson are an upgrade overall from last years group.

Hard to see them not drafting at least one CB. I’m just praying it isn’t a first rounder.

Yea, the CB group would be perfectly fine with a 2nd-4th rounder thrown into that mix.

The issue is that there is a credible argument that CJ Henderson would be the BPA at 17, and if he's there I think there's a very high likelihood that he's the pick if the first 16 picks go as expected. I'd argue for Chaisson or McKinney over him as better prospects but if he's there I'm 10000% expecting them to fall in love with his size/athleticism.

 

[Stasheroo]

You just said "that's my thinking as well", and that the 2nd/3rd is the sweet spot for CB's, in response to booze saying he prefers Gladney in a trade down in the 1st as a precursor to taking another soon thereafter.

Which does NOT say they would be taking two in the first three picks.

 

[Stasheroo]

Yea, the CB group would be perfectly fine with a 2nd-4th rounder thrown into that mix.

The issue is that there is a credible argument that CJ Henderson would be the BPA at 17, and if he's there I think there's a very high likelihood that he's the pick if the first 16 picks go as expected. I'd argue for Chaisson or McKinney over him as better prospects but if he's there I'm 10000% expecting them to fall in love with his size/athleticism.

Compared to the same size/athleticism love affair with Chaisson?

 

[ravidubey]

The issue is that there is a credible argument that CJ Henderson would be the BPA at 17

Urgh, well if he really is the most talented and reliable player on the board at the time then I'd be OK with it. Guy has all the measurables to make an impact for sure

 

[Simpleton]

Urgh, well if he really is the most talented and reliable player on the board at the time then I'd be OK with it. Guy has all the measurables to make an impact for sure

I personally don't think he is but I could see the argument.

I don't like that he's an extremely poor tackler and in each of the games I've watched of him he gives up at least one huge downfield play. His combination of height/weight/speed is undeniable though and he is very smooth shadowing guys downfield, he seems to peak into the backfield a bit too much though and loses concentration on his assignment. He gave up like a 40 yard bomb against Auburn simply because he was staring at the QB/RB mesh point in the backfield and completely lost his WR.

Those things could be coached out of him, and at the very least he does seem like a willing tackler, he's just very ineffective at it.

 

[Stasheroo]

I personally don't think he is but I could see the argument.

I don't like that he's an extremely poor tackler and in each of the games I've watched of him he gives up at least one huge downfield play. His combination of height/weight/speed is undeniable though and he is very smooth shadowing guys downfield, he seems to peak into the backfield a bit too much though and loses concentration on his assignment. He gave up like a 40 yard bomb against Auburn simply because he was staring at the QB/RB mesh point in the backfield and completely lost his WR.

Those things could be coached out of him, and at the very least he does seem like a willing tackler, he's just very ineffective at it.

I agree, I think Henderson is a 'measurables pick' at this point for a staff that feels that they can coach him up and improve upon his deficiencies, in this case tackling as you mentioned. I would neither hate nor love it if he were the pick at #17. I do think that cornerback is a need position, but I also think that Henderson is closer to that second tier of corners than he is to Okudah.

The one I am most intrigued by is Diggs. I like his positives and playmaking ability but wonder about the inconsistencies he's also shown. But if I could land him in round 2, I'd love to see what some good coaching and more experience at the position might do with him.

 

[Simpleton]

I agree, I think Henderson is a 'measurables pick' at this point for a staff that feels that they can coach him up and improve upon his deficiencies, in this case tackling as you mentioned. I would neither hate nor love it if he were the pick at #17. I do think that cornerback is a need position, but I also think that Henderson is closer to that second tier of corners than he is to Okudah.

The one I am most intrigued by is Diggs. I like his positives and playmaking ability but wonder about the inconsistencies he's also shown. But if I could land him in round 2, I'd love to see what some good coaching and more experience at the position might do with him.

Yea, there are about 6 guys who I'd be very happy with at 51, are all of them going to go in the 30ish picks between 17 and 51?

Maybe but that's a risk I'm willing to take, and if a guy like Gladney or Diggs or Terrell makes it down to 40ish, I'd start looking at possibly moving up depending on how many other CB's in that tier are still available.

I like Henderson well enough and if I was forced to gamble on a CB at 17 after Okudah it'd be him, but there's too much depth at that position and I'd rather wait and see if a guy like Jaylon Johnson might be there at 51, or Cameron Dantzler/Arnette in the 3rd.

 

[Stasheroo]

Yea, there are about 6 guys who I'd be very happy with at 51, are all of them going to go in the 30ish picks between 17 and 51?

Maybe but that's a risk I'm willing to take, and if a guy like Gladney or Diggs or Terrell makes it down to 40ish, I'd start looking at possibly moving up depending on how many other CB's in that tier are still available.

I like Henderson well enough and if I was forced to gamble on a CB at 17 after Okudah it'd be him, but there's too much depth at that position and I'd rather wait and see if a guy like Jaylon Johnson might be there at 51, or Cameron Dantzler/Arnette in the 3rd.

To be honest, unless an obvious talent drops, I'd like to trade down from #17 at this point if I could.

 

[Simpleton]

To be honest, unless an obvious talent drops, I'd like to trade down from #17 at this point if I could.

I started this thread because of the idea that we're in a little bit of a dead spot at 17, a point where it seems like we'll be picking from the top end of the 2nd tier of prospects. It's why I'd look to be aggressive if Brown/Kinlaw drop to 13-14, and if not I'd look to move down to 23-27ish.

 

[Stasheroo]

I started this thread because of the idea that we're in a little bit of a dead spot at 17, a point where it seems like we'll be picking from the top end of the 2nd tier of prospects. It's why I'd look to be aggressive if Brown/Kinlaw drop to 13-14, and if not I'd look to move down to 23-27ish.

I definitely agree with you about that 'dead zone' part, but I might also view it as an 'opportunity zone' as well. If a top prospect falls to that spot, we might change strategy, or we might be able to use the opportunity to get a bounty of picks in a trade down. My own feelings are that this team needs more draft picks, not less. To keep what they have or add to it rather than trading multiple picks for any one player. Recent free agent losses, coupled with recent draft misses make this draft and the next very important in building the present and future of this team in my opinion.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I started this thread because of the idea that we're in a little bit of a dead spot at 17, a point where it seems like we'll be picking from the top end of the 2nd tier of prospects. It's why I'd look to be aggressive if Brown/Kinlaw drop to 13-14, and if not I'd look to move down to 23-27ish.

I really like Kinlaw. In my opinion he has Chris Jones type ability. To me that's worth trading up for. Guys like that or Fletcher Cox change games on defense.