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I welcome you to look at the game again, if you have a strong enough stomach. While yes, there were other culprits, Crawford front and center among them, Gregory was terrible as well, arguably the worst of all.
Yeah I'd have to go back and watch. It was an ugly game in terms of run defense. All the more reason to bring in Snacks Harrison to cover up some of that weakness.

Funny thing I remember about that game is that we actually did a really good job against the pass. Which is what we want Gregory for.
 
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Yeah I'd have to go back and watch. It was an igly game in terms of run defense. All the more reason to being in Snacks Harrison to cover up some of that weakness.

Funny thing I remember about that game is that we actually did a really good job against the pass. Which is what we want Gregory for.
I think it was more a matter of the Rams running it down our throats so well, they didn't need to pass.

But don't get me wrong, it also wasn't simply our players sucking either. The Rams knew Marinelli's tells and tendencies and knew exactly what our front was doing, that's the biggest reason why the annihilated them.
 

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I think it was more a matter of the Rams running it down our throats so well, they didn't need to pass.
They didn't need to pass but they weren't particularly great at it against us when they did. Of course why keep trying to pass when the run is that effective.
 

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No, facts do, you should try them some time.



I did. Check yourself. You got 'fact-smacked' and you didn't like it. You gave your unsupported opinion about Lawrence's double team numbers and didn't like getting corrected.

And then rather than showing personal accountability and admitting you were wrong, you took the low road and posted that other stupid irrelevant shit.

An all-too-common tactic by pussies on the internet.
:lol

Didn't think you were this kind of poster, Stash. Like you said earlier... People reveal themselves.
 

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Where is this 'freak out' you speak of? Is admitting the obvious, that Jones is a better overall player than Lewis now labeled as 'freaking out'?



Good thing then that nobody is.



I do and I will, thanks.



So they wouldn't be taking 'best player available' no matter what then? Good. That's exactly my point regarding the receivers. Need does factor in.
Ah yes, the old intellectually dishonest argument that unless you're willing to draft the pure BPA every single time no matter the circumstance then you must draft strictly based on need, very nice.

Need of course factors in but it's a sliding scale that needs to be constantly re-calibrated based on the position in question, your roster, and the talent available. If a WR is far and away the BPA in round 1 or 2 and we haven't signed a Cobb-replacement, you take him, because that player could have a huge role in 2020 and moving forward if we decide to move on from Amari after two years.

If there is an equally rated player at a greater positional need, or a player that is rated just a notch lower, then the conversation changes obviously, but if a GM were to completely write off positions in certain rounds because they don't think they're as needy as others then that's a good way to building a shit roster long-term.

There are limits to it of course, nobody is going to draft a swing OT in the 1st with two Pro Bowlers in their prime or a backup QB to sit behind a 25-year old Pro Bowl QB. It's much more complex of a decision when you're talking about a 3rd WR who would likely play at least 50% of the snaps and who could potentially be your top WR in 2-3 years, or an edge rusher who would be a big part of your nickel/dime and rotate in during base downs as a rookie but who you project to be maybe your top edge rusher in 2 years.
 

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Damn! Some of you guys go down a rabbit trail and argue about one subject, and we have to scroll three pages to get past it. Like a bunch of freakin women :picard
Well there is one guy in particular who is blowing this thread up with unreasonability and despite what many might have assumed, it's not me.
 

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Didn't think you were this kind of poster, Stash. Like you said earlier... People reveal themselves.
You certainly did.

But yeah, project it on me. It's my fault that you were wrong and couldn't accept it.
 

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Ah yes, the old intellectually dishonest argument that unless you're willing to draft the pure BPA every single time no matter the circumstance then you must draft strictly based on need, very nice.

Need of course factors in but it's a sliding scale that needs to be constantly re-calibrated based on the position in question, your roster, and the talent available. If a WR is far and away the BPA in round 1 or 2 and we haven't signed a Cobb-replacement, you take him, because that player could have a huge role in 2020 and moving forward if we decide to move on from Amari after two years.

If there is an equally rated player at a greater positional need, or a player that is rated just a notch lower, then the conversation changes obviously, but if a GM were to completely write off positions in certain rounds because they don't think they're as needy as others then that's a good way to building a shit roster long-term.

There are limits to it of course, nobody is going to draft a swing OT in the 1st with two Pro Bowlers in their prime or a backup QB to sit behind a 25-year old Pro Bowl QB. It's much more complex of a decision when you're talking about a 3rd WR who would likely play at least 50% of the snaps and who could potentially be your top WR in 2-3 years, or an edge rusher who would be a big part of your nickel/dime and rotate in during base downs as a rookie but who you project to be maybe your top edge rusher in 2 years.

It is where need and value intersect.
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Ah yes, the old intellectually dishonest argument that unless you're willing to draft the pure BPA every single time no matter the circumstance then you must draft strictly based on need, very nice.
How is it "dishonest" to use the same argument that you're using against you?

Need of course factors in but it's a sliding scale that needs to be constantly re-calibrated based on the position in question, your roster, and the talent available. If a WR is far and away the BPA in round 1 or 2 and we haven't signed a Cobb-replacement, you take him, because that player could have a huge role in 2020 and moving forward if we decide to move on from Amari after two years.
So using a premium pick today for a receiver "in round 1 or 2" for "2 years from now" - your words, is good use of resources?

If there is an equally rated player at a greater positional need, or a player that is rated just a notch lower, then the conversation changes obviously, but if a GM were to completely write off positions in certain rounds because they don't think they're as needy as others then that's a good way to building a shit roster long-term.
That's my point, you can find comparable players at the multiple defensive spots where we need help to any of the receivers. I know that this is a historic crop and I'd love to have one, but I'm also not forcing things to 'get in on the action'. Certainly not in the 1st three rounds. I have much bigger defensive needs.

There are limits to it of course, nobody is going to draft a swing OT in the 1st with two Pro Bowlers in their prime or a backup QB to sit behind a 25-year old Pro Bowl QB. It's much more complex of a decision when you're talking about a 3rd WR who would likely play at least 50% of the snaps and who could potentially be your top WR in 2-3 years, or an edge rusher who would be a big part of your nickel/dime and rotate in during base downs as a rookie but who you project to be maybe your top edge rusher in 2 years.
And that's all I'm saying. I don't want to do anything 'absolutely' either way. Absolutes never work out well.
 

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You certainly did.

But yeah, project it on me. It's my fault that you were wrong and couldn't accept it.
Oh, pray tell what I revealed? That I base my opinions on what I see on the field? Yep, I said that. That I watched how opposing offensive coordinators treated our pass rush with their blocking schemes? Yep, mentioned that, too.

What I didn't do was base my argument solely on black and white stats. That there is more to a pass rush than just sack numbers, which anybody being honest will admit to. Or start acting like a petulant child and start throwing out personal attacks when people disagreed with me.

When you have one of the boards more level headed posters (Simpleton) trying to sidestep your ignorant style of debate, you might want to rethink your approach. Because honestly, just because you are not one of the zone's mouthbreathing Jerry supporters, you ARE acting very much like them. Revealing, indeed.
 

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How is it "dishonest" to use the same argument that you're using against you?
:lol

Wait a minute. When I did the EXACT SAME THING to you, only using black and white stats, then it was, and I quote, "You took the low road and posted that other stupid irrelevant shit."

How convenient.
 

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Y'all sound like married folk.
 

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Oh, pray tell what I revealed? That I base my opinions on what I see on the field? Yep, I said that. That I watched how opposing offensive coordinators treated our pass rush with their blocking schemes? Yep, mentioned that, too.
Also mentioned about those imaginary double teams that Lawrence was getting that Quinn wasn't as 'evidence', didn't ya? Or was that another account hack?

What I didn't do was base my argument solely on black and white stats. That there is more to a pass rush than just sack numbers, which anybody being honest will admit to. Or start acting like a petulant child and start throwing out personal attacks when people disagreed with me.
Who posted those Tolbert stats under your account?

When you have one of the boards more level headed posters (Simpleton) trying to sidestep your ignorant style of debate, you might want to rethink your approach. Because honestly, just because you are not one of the zone's mouthbreathing Jerry supporters, you ARE acting very much like them. Revealing, indeed.
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Who was it that came up with the bullshit post about Tolbert's sack numbers from the 90's? Who was that asshole? Someone hack your account or do you simply take zero accountability for your own actions while lecturing others?

Check out what you "reveal" about yourself along the way and don't just focus on 'the other guy'.
 

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Wait a minute. When I did the EXACT SAME THING to you, only using black and white stats, then it was, and I quote, "You took the low road and posted that other stupid irrelevant shit."

How convenient.
I'm sorry, exactly what 'stats' did you show me? During your repeated lecturing, I somehow missed them? I'd be happy to talk with you about them if you'd post them again. Thanks.

The last time someone showed you stats, you threw a hissy fit and started talking about the 90's.
 
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