Garrett Watch Thread...

[Texas Ace]

Not really interested in Urban Meyer. Feel like that’s a disaster.

So what do you call these last 10 years of Garrett that you've been supportive of?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

So what do you call these last 10 years of Garrett that you've been supportive of?

Low hanging fruit...

 

[Smitty]

Meyer has always been known for his dynamic offense. Now in the past most would say it's not an NFL offense but now an awful lot of NFL offenses look similar. And what I like about Meyer is that he hasn't ignored the defense in the process.

No idea why you get an Administrator vibe from him. Although at this point even that would be a step up from Garrett.

College coaches of big programs in general don’t often work out in the NFL because being Administrators and recruiters at that level (NCAA) is what works.

Lincoln Riley strikes me as more of an idea man, which is apparently what we all want. Not necessarily impressed by Meyer just steamrolling everyone at a talent powerhouse like Ohio State.

The same reason Roy Williams wouldn’t work as an NBA Coach, despite being an all-timer NCAA coach.

 

[Smitty]

So what do you call these last 10 years of Garrett that you've been supportive of?

Who is defending Garrett at this point? I literally just said this has been the worst coaching job of his career. In fact I’ll applaud the team because they seem to be getting their ducks in a row pre-firing which is kinda what I said needs to happen: “Targeted upgrade,” not a coaching search that results in some run of the mill coordinator being selected.

I’m just skeptical of Urban Meyer, is all.

 

[Smitty]

Garrett is almost certainly gone at this point. So it’s not a debate of Meyer versus Garrett, it’s Meyer versus the field.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

College coaches of big programs in general don’t often work out in the NFL because being Administrators and recruiters at that level (NCAA) is what works.

Bowling Green, Utah and Florida all became great under him rught away. With lots of the talent that was already there. Meyer isn't just Ohio State.

 

[Smitty]

Maybe, but I remain skeptical. These big time college coaches have not seemed to work in the NFL.

Saban, Spurrier, etc. Carroll did, but he was an NFL guy first, then went to college, then came back.

 

[Texas Ace]

Maybe, but I remain skeptical. These big time college coaches have not seemed to work in the NFL.

Saban, Spurrier, etc. Carroll did, but he was an NFL guy first, then went to college, then came back.

It's normal to be skeptical because I too used to be that way with college coaches due to the failure rate of so many, but the way the league is going now it enables college coaches to be more successful than ever.

It's not like it was pre-2010 where most of the guys found themselves in over their heads. You're seeing more and more college schemes being used and implemented into the pro game and the average age of NFL HC's is getting younger.

You no longer have to have that iron-fisted 60 year old to get the players to buy in.

So if the Cowboys were going to go with an Urban Meyer type, this would be the best time to do so.

 

[Smitty]

But is there an example of it working recently?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Maybe, but I remain skeptical. These big time college coaches have not seemed to work in the NFL.

Saban, Spurrier, etc. Carroll did, but he was an NFL guy first, then went to college, then came back.

That I at least understand. The games are very different. I'm open to a college coach but I also realize that there are very few Jimmy Johnson style success stories of a guy who comes from college and succeeds right away in the NFL.

Luckily as has been mentioned the NFL has adapted it's schemes to at least be more like that of the college game.

 

[Simpleton]

I'm not in love with Meyer either although I'd be willing to give anything a shot after 10 years of Garrett. I don't want a coach who isn't able to run an offense without relying on a QB running the ball 10-15 times a game though.

Riley seems to dial the QB running up/down based on who he has (Mayfield ran significantly less) but the main concern I'd have with Meyer is whether or not he can attract an NFL staff and whether or not his offense can operate without being centered significantly around the QB running.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I'm not in love with Meyer either although I'd be willing to give anything a shot after 10 years of Garrett. I don't want a coach who isn't able to run an offense without relying on a QB running the ball 10-15 times a game though.

Riley seems to dial the QB running up/down based on who he has (Mayfield ran significantly less) but the main concern I'd have with Meyer is whether or not he can attract an NFL staff and whether or not his offense can operate without being centered significantly around the QB running.

I worry about this defense more than anything. And as great as Riley would be for our offense my biggest concern would be his ability to put together a great defensive coaching staff. You can't win in the NFL playing defense the way we are. It's not a pass rush/talent thing anymore. It's a coaching/philosophy issue. And I'm not sure Riley has the knowledge or ability to change that.

 

[boozeman]

the main concern I'd have with Meyer is whether or not he can attract an NFL staff

You should be more concerned about Jones shoving some of these shitty assistants down his throat.

 

[Simpleton]

I already assume Jerry is going to try to get the next HC to keep Moore and maybe Richard. The best we can hope for is that they hire someone like Quinn or Rivera as DC.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Riley seems to dial the QB running up/down based on who he has (Mayfield ran significantly less) but the main concern I'd have with Meyer is whether or not he can attract an NFL staff and whether or not his offense can operate without being centered significantly around the QB running.

I mean Haskins didn't run it that much at Ohio State did he?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I already assume Jerry is going to try to get the next HC to keep Moore and maybe Richard. The best we can hope for is that they hire someone like Quinn or Rivera as DC.

I've flopped on this but I'm really hoping for a defensive minded hard ass coach. I think this offense needs to be better but we have all seen that undeer Moore/Kitna this offense can be explosive.

 

[GShock]

I already assume Jerry is going to try to get the next HC to keep Moore and maybe Richard.

I am loathe to underestimate his stupidity, and the Garrett example is his track record, but man that would be so stupid.

 

[boozeman]

I mean Haskins didn't run it that much at Ohio State did he?

Well, Haskins can't really run.

 

[Simpleton]

I mean Haskins didn't run it that much at Ohio State did he?

True, he didn't, although that season was certainly way out of the norm for Meyer. I remember at Florida their offense kind of sputtered with Chris Leak until Meyer figured out he could basically have him split time with Tebow whenever they wanted the threat of a QB run.

I certainly hope if Meyer is the hire that he could adapt to the NFL and have an offense with just as much creativity/explosiveness without relying on the QB running 10-15 times a game, but it's an unkn

 

[Cowboysrock55]

True, he didn't, although that season was certainly way out of the norm for Meyer. I remember at Florida their offense kind of sputtered with Chris Leak until Meyer figured out he could basically have him split time with Tebow whenever they wanted the threat of a QB run.

I certainly hope if Meyer is the hire that he could adapt to the NFL and have an offense with just as much creativity/explosiveness without relying on the QB running 10-15 times a game, but it's an unkn

They did really well with that big, fat and slow QB not long ago too. Cardale Jones I think.