Watkins: Jerry Jones likes his Cowboys roster, regardless of what you think of it

[p1_]

Calculated doesn't mean good or that they don't make mistakes.

For one thing, it doesn't take into account the things they SHOULD HAVE done, but didn't.

what the should have done? how do you consider/judge what a team "should have done" ?

 

[Smitty]

Maybe the Steelers and Rams.

... And Chiefs, and Eagles, and Saints. The Browns might even be lapping us right now.

Our draft record has been pretty good, but it's not just about the draft. Value free agency and trades figures in as well -- which makes it encouraging we may have just landed a high level DE with a good amount left in the tank for a mere 6th rounder. But I think most of the teams that finished ahead of us are more talented than us, especially when you figure in the QB situation.

 

[Smitty]

what the should have done? how do you consider/judge what a team "should have done" ?

I'm not gonna sit here and outline a grading scheme for non-moves; but come on.

If the team sits inactive on it's cap space and never does anything, except maybe by signing one player one time over years and years, and that player works out, well, technically, they are batting 1.000, right?

Except the inactivity is indictable. They messed up by not improving their team; but I can't sit there and point and say exactly what moves they "should have done." All I know is that the inactivity is not good enough, and therefore, a mistake.

That's where the Cowboys happen to be behind the curve right now. Too many other teams have gotten creative and aggressive and those moves have paid off. The Cowboys, prior to, say, the trade for Amari Cooper, were way too content to sit back and let things come to them, and it cost them, while everyone else was getting better. I like the move for Quinn, but it still feels to me like they could have been more active in free agency.

I think their hard-line negotiation with Lawrence is actually costing them perceived flexibility to jump in on guys like Earl Thomas, who would have made a world of difference. Maybe being more pro-active with Lawrence and getting this done sooner would have freed them up more in this free agency period to get more than castoffs and retreads. The only signing of true note is Randall Cobb. The rest are likely to be backups and role players who supplement our starters; which is nice insurance, but it doesn't move the needle in a divisional round playoff game.

The biggest example of their desire to sit back and let things flow to them, and how it's a mistake, is that they should have paid the price to move up for Carson Wentz or Jared Goff in 2016. Not doing so may end up being a huge anchor for this team as we can't let Prescott go, but he also may lose QB duels to those two guys every year; or at least more often than not.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

... And Chiefs, and Eagles, and Saints. The Browns might even be lapping us right now.

Our draft record has been pretty good, but it's not just about the draft. Value free agency and trades figures in as well -- which makes it encouraging we may have just landed a high level DE with a good amount left in the tank for a mere 6th rounder. But I think most of the teams that finished ahead of us are more talented than us, especially when you figure in the QB situation.

The hatred for Prescott is strong in this one.

 

[Cotton]

I'm not gonna sit here and outline

~then proceeds to type a bunch of words outlining something~

 

[Cowboysrock55]

~then proceeds to type a bunch of words outlining something~

and in the end he always has to get Dak in there, Even though he actually wins games.

 

[deadrise]

I'm not gonna sit here and outline a grading scheme for non-moves; but come on.

If the team sits inactive on it's cap space and never does anything, except maybe by signing one player one time over years and years, and that player works out, well, technically, they are batting 1.000, right?

Except the inactivity is indictable. They messed up by not improving their team; but I can't sit there and point and say exactly what moves they "should have done." All I know is that the inactivity is not good enough, and therefore, a mistake.

That's where the Cowboys happen to be behind the curve right now. Too many other teams have gotten creative and aggressive and those moves have paid off. The Cowboys, prior to, say, the trade for Amari Cooper, were way too content to sit back and let things come to them, and it cost them, while everyone else was getting better. I like the move for Quinn, but it still feels to me like they could have been more active in free agency.

I think their hard-line negotiation with Lawrence is actually costing them perceived flexibility to jump in on guys like Earl Thomas, who would have made a world of difference. Maybe being more pro-active with Lawrence and getting this done sooner would have freed them up more in this free agency period to get more than castoffs and retreads. The only signing of true note is Randall Cobb. The rest are likely to be backups and role players who supplement our starters; which is nice insurance, but it doesn't move the needle in a divisional round playoff game.

The biggest example of their desire to sit back and let things flow to them, and how it's a mistake, is that they should have paid the price to move up for Carson Wentz or Jared Goff in 2016. Not doing so may end up being a huge anchor for this team as we can't let Prescott go, but he also may lose QB duels to those two guys every year; or at least more often than not.

None of it means shit unless you win, and they haven't won shit.

 

[1bigfan13]

The strength of the roster is solid and very comparable to most teams who will by vying for playoff spots in 2019, but the area that will continue to hold them back is the coaching/game strategy.

This team could have the talent of the 1993 Cowboys but as long as Jason Garrett is leading the way they will continue to underachieve.

 

[Smitty]

I don’t hate Prescott, I’m just honest about how he squares up against the other top QBs in the league. With another season like his last half year he’’’ll climb, but as of right now he’s had too much mediocre or even subpar production in his last two seasons to be a top QB.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The strength of the roster is solid and very comparable to most teams who will by vying for playoff spots in 2019, but the area that will continue to hold them back is the coaching/game strategy.

This team could have the talent of the 1993 Cowboys but as long as Jason Garrett is leading the way they will continue to underachieve.

If the roster is that talented than the fault all lies with Garrett. Some people can't accept that reality.

 

[deadrise]

The strength of the roster is solid and very comparable to most teams who will by vying for playoff spots in 2019, but the area that will continue to hold them back is the coaching/game strategy.

This team could have the talent of the 1993 Cowboys but as long as Jason Garrett is leading the way they will continue to underachieve.

So what?? None of it means anything. Who cares if the roster is solid? Why can't anyone get it through their skulls that winning is all that matters -- and Jerry's teams haven't won jack shit for 20-plus years? That's the only yardstick that matters.

 

[NoDak]

Yeah. Nobody here can get it through their thick skills that winning is all that matters.

Dumb bastards.

 

[ravidubey]

... And Chiefs, and Eagles, and Saints. The Browns might even be lapping us right now.

Our draft record has been pretty good, but it's not just about the draft. Value free agency and trades figures in as well -- which makes it encouraging we may have just landed a high level DE with a good amount left in the tank for a mere 6th rounder. But I think most of the teams that finished ahead of us are more talented than us, especially when you figure in the QB situation.

Wow it only took the Browns 20 years of drafting in the top five. And the jury is way out on this for sure.

The Eagles have the only QB more overrated than our own, and it cost them a ton of picks and the second choice in the draft. They are far more talented at DT and no where else (goes to show how valuable that position is). Their LBs suck, their DBs suck, and their WRs are average. We beat them 3 out of the last 4 meaningful games.

We whipped the Chiefs without Mahomes, so yeah damned straight it’s about the QB.

And even with a great QB, Dallas beat the Saints handily with a stifling effort that had the QB’s been swapped would have been a fucking blowout.

If Dallas had coaching they would be the top contender in the NFC hands down.

 

[NoDak]

Wow it only took the Browns 20 years of drafting in the top five.

That's a pretty dishonest way to look at Cleveland's draft history. They haven't had the same power structure making draft picks over all that time. In fact, the guys in charge of making the picks now haven't been there very long.

That would be like saying Dave Campo should get some credit for our recent draft success.

 

[deadrise]

Wow it only took the Browns 20 years of drafting in the top five. And the jury is way out on this for sure.

The Eagles have the only QB more overrated than our own, and it cost them a ton of picks and the second choice in the draft. They are far more talented at DT and no where else (goes to show how valuable that position is). Their LBs suck, their DBs suck, and their WRs are average. We beat them 3 out of the last 4 meaningful games.

We whipped the Chiefs without Mahomes, so yeah damned straight it’s about the QB.

And even with a great QB, Dallas beat the Saints handily with a stifling effort that had the QB’s been swapped would have been a fucking blowout.

If Dallas had coaching they would be the top contender in the NFC hands down.

"If Dallas had coaching they would be the top contender in the NFC hands down."

What a classic statement. It's like saying "if it weren't for the solid overcast and a steady downpour this would be a pretty nice day."

As for the rest of it:

• Eagles WON the SB in 2018. Which means they also had to play in and win the NFC title game. When was the last time the Cowboys won an NFC title game and played in a SB? Let's see... oh, that's right, 1995.

• Saints played in the NFC title game last season and came within one horrible call of winning it. When was the last time the Cowboys were in an NFC title game? Let's see... oh, that's right, 1995.

• Chiefs played in the AFC title game last season, losing in OT to the eventual SB winner, Patriots. When was the last time the Cowboys were in an conference title game? Let's see... oh, that's right, 1995.

Gosh, if it weren't for the brain-dead coach and the brain-dead yahoos in the front office who make all the coaching decisions, this could be a pretty good football team.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Wow it only took the Browns 20 years of drafting in the top five. And the jury is way out on this for sure.

The Eagles have the only QB more overrated than our own, and it cost them a ton of picks and the second choice in the draft. They are far more talented at DT and no where else (goes to show how valuable that position is). Their LBs suck, their DBs suck, and their WRs are average. We beat them 3 out of the last 4 meaningful games.

We whipped the Chiefs without Mahomes, so yeah damned straight it’s about the QB.

And even with a great QB, Dallas beat the Saints handily with a stifling effort that had the QB’s been swapped would have been a fucking blowout.

If Dallas had coaching they would be the top contender in the NFC hands down.

I agree with this. Particularly about the Browns. Let's all slow our rolls there. Would any of us be excited if Freddie Kitchens was a first time head coach in Dallas? It's a huge question mark. I'm also not 100% sold on Mayfield yet to be honest.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I agree with this. Particularly about the Browns. Let's all slow our rolls there. Would any of us be excited if Freddie Kitchens was a first time head coach in Dallas? It's a huge question mark. I'm also not 100% sold on Mayfield yet to be honest.

I really like Mayfield but they just dumped a first round safety because he wasn't that good. Their drafts haven't been impressive to me. And now they have thrown a bunch of guys together but that doesn't always work in the NFL (Redskins used to do this every year). So its sort of a wait and see with the Browns. They have Mayfield but not much else has blown me away. And Kitchens would have us all up in arms if he was picked as our coach.

 

[deadrise]

Oh, so now the yardstick for comparison is the Cleveland Browns? "Oh yeah? Well at least we don't suck as much as Cleveland." How pathetic.

Here's a list of the teams in the same category as the Dallas Plowboys in terms of playoff futility -- not having appeared in conference championship games for 25 years or more. Really good company.

30	Cincinnati Bengals ^	1988 AFC	Won vs. Buffalo
27	Washington Redskins ^	1991 NFC	Won vs. Detroit
27	Detroit Lions ^	1991 NFC	Lost vs. Washington
26 [SUP][a][/SUP]	Cleveland Browns ^	1989 AFC	Lost vs. Denver
26	Miami Dolphins ^	1992 AFC	Lost vs. Buffalo
25	Buffalo Bills ^	1993 AFC	Won vs. Kansas City
23	Dallas Cowboys ^	1995 NFC	Won vs. Green Bay

 

[Genghis Khan]

Are you dense? Somebody else brought up the browns. They're an interesting team to talk about because they are the trendy pick this year.

Everybody is well aware of our track record the past 2 decades and nobody here is happy with it. Calm your fucking tits.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Are you dense? Somebody else brought up the browns. They're an interesting team to talk about because they are the trendy pick this year.

Everybody is well aware of our track record the past 2 decades and nobody here is happy with it. Calm your fucking tits.

He is a shit stirrer