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Dallas D just doesn't have the talent

It's easy to blame the coaches for Cowboys' defensive troubles, but it's the players
Updated: October 8, 2013, 8:38 AM ET
By Jean-Jacques Taylor | ESPNDallas.com

IRVING, Texas -- What can you really say about a Dallas Cowboys defense that yielded 51 points and 517 yards to the Denver Broncos, other than it was abject?
Understand, this is bigger than defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin. Or defensive line coach Rod Marinelli.

Seemingly every time something goes wrong with a team folks want to fire the coach. Sometimes, that's the right move. Not always.

Last year, we blamed defensive coordinator Rob Ryan for the Cowboys' defensive woes. Now, we're blaming Kiffin.

It's the players.

It doesn't matter whether we're talking about 3-4 defense or the 4-3. And it doesn't matter whether the scheme is simplistic or complicated. If a team doesn't have enough good players -- not players with good reputations -- then it doesn't matter.

These Cowboys don't have enough good players on defense. One day, perhaps, they will.

Sport is fluid. Guys improve. The defense we saw pillaged in the second half against the San Diego Chargers and for four quarters against Denver might evolve into a good unit.
Right now, it's not.

Look at the numbers. Be warned, though, they're rated "M" for mature.

In the past six quarters, the Cowboys defense has yielded nine touchdowns and three field goals. It has allowed 777 yards on 107 plays, an average of 7.2 yards per snap.

"There was a relentless nature to how we played," Garrett said. "What's this guy talking about? They gave up 500 yards and 51 points. When you watch the tape, we played better in that regard than we had the previous week."

Hooray.

After five games, the Cowboys rank 28th in total defense (409.2 yards) and 31st in pass defense (326.4 yards). Teams have converted 40.3 percent (25 of 62) third-down plays against Dallas and it ranks 31st in first-down defense (7.22 yards).

That's important because it prevents the Cowboys from putting teams in long yardage situations on second and third down, where the pass rush doesn't have to worry about the run.

"You try to evaluate what we're doing as coaches, what we're asking our players to do," Garrett said, "and how they're doing it and if we're asking right guys to do what they're capable of doing."

The Tampa 2 defensive scheme, we've been told by Garrett and others, is all about the front four generating a fierce pass rush. Then seven defenders can drop into coverage.

All of that sounded great in the spring, when the projected starters were Anthony Spencer (32.5 sacks), Jay Ratliff (27), DeMarcus Ware (111) and Jason Hatcher (16), because they had combined for 186.5 career sacks.

Spencer (knee surgery) is out for the year. Ratliff is eligible to come off the physically unable to perform (PUP) list Monday, but who knows how much he can contribute.
With four minutes left Sunday and Denver driving for the tying touchdown, the Cowboys defensive line was composed for a few plays of Caesar Rayford, Drake Nevis, Nick Hayden and Kyle Wilber.

They have a combined three NFL sacks.

Hatcher and Ware have combined for seven sacks this season, but Hatcher is getting double-teamed regularly and Ware's body already is breaking down. He's playing through a pinched nerve and a back strain.

"You have to live in reality that these are the guys we have," Garrett said. "We feel good about these backup players who have come in and emerged as starters and guys we've gotten off the streets that have emerged as backup contributors for us."

As you know, there won't be a Bob Lilly walking through a Valley Ranch door. Or a Randy White. Or a Harvey Martin.

The Cowboys already have yielded 400 yards passing to four quarterbacks in the first five games, and they still must play Washington's Robert Griffin III twice, Detroit's Matthew Stafford, New Orleans' Drew Brees, the New York Giants' Eli Manning, Chicago's Jay Cutler and Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers.

Would you really be surprised if they gave up four more 400-yard passing days this season?

The Tampa 2 scheme is designed to prevent pass plays of 20 yards or more, but Denver's Peyton Manning and San Diego's Philip Rivers attacked the space in front of the linebackers as they dropped into their zones and let their running backs and tight ends run after the catch.

Each passed for more than 400 yards.

When the Cowboys linebackers moved up to challenge the tight ends and running backs, Manning and Rivers exploited mismatches and attacked deep. Especially Manning, who had 14 completions of 14 yards or more.

"We didn't make enough plays to get him out of rhythm," Garrett said of Manning. "It starts up front; we didn't affect him enough with our guys. We didn't cover them on the back end."

They didn't even make the Broncos punt. The Cowboys scored 48 points and still found a way to lose.

Guess what? It could happen again.
 

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I've been told the DL is fine. And, we've spent a lot of $$$ and high picks on the LB's and DB's over the last few years.
 

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I actually think the secondary is ok, long-term. Carr and Scandrick have played well, Claiborne is a dickhead but he may be improving, Church has been really good and I think Wilcox will be a good player once he has more than like 3 starts under his belt.

I also feel fine about our LB's for the most part, Lee isn't going anywhere, you have to see if Carter can bounce back and Sims/Durant are fine 3rd LB's, with a guy in Holloman on the bench that I like.

The primary issues with the defense is that it is built on getting pressure with the front 4 and we have completely ignored that spot, along with the unit being decimated by injuries. I also don't think the back 7 has fully figured out how to tighten up coverage in the middle of the field against RB's/TE's but I'm hoping that will come along, and of course that problem is exacerbated by the DL.

Long story short, if we are running the same defense next year and make a commitment to upgrading the DL in both free agency and the draft I think we will be fine. Too bad that isn't likely to happen but hey.
 

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We always ignore a weakness until it becomes so glaring that it wreaks a season. Every.single.time.
 

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I've been told the DL is fine. And, we've spent a lot of $$$ and high picks on the LB's and DB's over the last few years.
We have no safeties and without safeties this defense is a bathtub without a plug.

I never thought this defense could stop people, but we need to go back to creating turnovers. If the offense is well and truly awake and the Denver game wasn't a fluke, a few extra scoring chances will lead to more wins, even if we give up an ass ton of yards.
 

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We have no safeties and without safeties this defense is a bathtub without a plug.

I never thought this defense could stop people, but we need to go back to creating turnovers. If the offense is well and truly awake and the Denver game wasn't a fluke, a few extra scoring chances will lead to more wins, even if we give up an ass ton of yards.
I'm sure come April, we'll have safety at the top of our wishlist. Not saying it isn't a need, but I may blow another gasket if we take a safety in the 1st and neglect DL again. Both have been legit weaknesses for a couple of years and we try to get by with bandaids and new coaches.
 

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I'm sure come April, we'll have safety at the top of our wishlist. Not saying it isn't a need, but I may blow another gasket if we take a safety in the 1st and neglect DL again. Both have been legit weaknesses for a couple of years and we try to get by with bandaids and new coaches.
If Vaccaro had fallen to us, he'd be a Cowboy right now. We pretty much knew we needed safeties.
 

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We have no safeties and without safeties this defense is a bathtub without a plug.

I never thought this defense could stop people, but we need to go back to creating turnovers. If the offense is well and truly awake and the Denver game wasn't a fluke, a few extra scoring chances will lead to more wins, even if we give up an ass ton of yards.
How can you look at the way Church has played and say we have no safeties? We have at least 1.
 

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Church has played very well IMO.
 

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Of course it was extremely important to bring in another high round TE.
 

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Church has played very well and Wilcox looks promising, not to mention the staff and front office seems high on him. I'd be very surprised if we took a safety in the first unless it was a case of a top 10 type guy falling to us in a clear BPA situation.
 

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Of course the lack of pressure is the biggest culprit making the defense terrible right now, but the pass coverage should still be better. Lee, Carter, Carr, and even Claiborne have the ability to cover guys in this league -- we've seen them do it. So either the defense isn't serving their talents, they aren't getting it yet for whatever reason, or the coaches haven't and aren't doing a good job preparing them because these otherwise solid players are looking lost on the field far too often.
 

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How can you look at the way Church has played and say we have no safeties? We have at least 1.
Church has played very well IMO.
He hasn't sucked, but he isn't the ballhawk we need back there. Neither of them are.

The Safety position isn't the only thing, of course. The LBs not named Lee haven't showed up, to the extent that the once promising Carter just got his ass benched.
 

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I honestly think Lee looks lost out there alot, too. Or maybe we're just putting him in impossible situations. He's struggled in zone though imo.
 

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Linemen are needed. Cut that POS Ratliff and let's get on with building a pass rush. Sorely needed.
 

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I honestly think Lee looks lost out there alot, too. Or maybe we're just putting him in impossible situations. He's struggled in zone though imo.
Yup.

Carter has caught a lot of shit, but Lee hasn't been so great in coverage either.

I don't know.....maybe these players just aren't a good fit for this scheme.
 

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Yup.

Carter has caught a lot of shit, but Lee hasn't been so great in coverage either.

I don't know.....maybe these players just aren't a good fit for this scheme.
I think Lee is in an impossible situation. He can't drop AND come underneath and tackle the backs, or watch those crossing routes that have killed us in the red zone. The OLBs are supposed to clean that up but they can't seem to without allowing 10 yards first, which is also probably because we can't get pressure before our LBs have dropped 15 yards.

There's really no reason for us to not play more man coverage. Chicago always has while still maintaining Tampa 2 principles.
 

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I think Lee is in an impossible situation. He can't drop AND come underneath and tackle the backs, or watch those crossing routes that have killed us in the red zone. The OLBs are supposed to clean that up but they can't seem to without allowing 10 yards first, which is also probably because we can't get pressure before our LBs have dropped 15 yards.

There's really no reason for us to not play more man coverage. Chicago always has while still maintaining Tampa 2 principles.
How can that be? The whole Tampa 2 is based on zone.
 

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IOW that is their base and they run man sometimes. We do too, particularly when we bring pressure, but it's rare.
 
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