President Trump Thread...

[2233boys]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-at-davos-russia-is-greatest-threat-to-democracy/ar-AAlYPtT?li=AA4Zpp&ocid=spartanntp
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/gingrich-israel-russia-trump-232959
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mccain-blasts-putin-in-opinion-piece-in-pravda/
Just some more examples of our politicians, trying to keep us down by having an enemy, Russians, Terrorists, Gays, Immigrants, foreigners, ISIS, communists, socialists, etc.
Over the years who we are to be afraid of has changed, but the keep us in fear so they can keep their power.

 

[L.T. Fan]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-at-davos-russia-is-greatest-threat-to-democracy/ar-AAlYPtT?li=AA4Zpp&ocid=spartanntp
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/gingrich-israel-russia-trump-232959
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mccain-blasts-putin-in-opinion-piece-in-pravda/
Just some more examples of our politicians, trying to keep us down by having an enemy, Russians, Terrorists, Gays, Immigrants, foreigners, ISIS, communists, socialists, etc.
Over the years who we are to be afraid of has changed, but the keep us in fear so they can keep their power.

Without reading what you have posted my position is that the CIA is the greatest perpetrator of world disarray .

 

[2233boys]

Without reading what you have posted my position is that the CIA is the greatest perpetrator of world disarray .

Our governmental system is equally culpable.

 

[Jiggyfly]

You misunderstand my comment then. Ventriloquism or alpine skiing don't require college degrees so not sure where you went sideways. Plenty of us bust our ass to obtain skills and education to toil away in a job in trade off for affordable health insurance and benefits.

And, no, college degrees are not required for a 401k. Plenty of companies that provide these benefits for full-time employees without college-educational jobs as well. Flip burgers at In-N-Out, barista at Starbucks, become an elevator mechanic and earn $150k before OT. Just get a full-time job and you're likely to get affordable healthcare - I'm not asking everyone to be a rocket scientist.

When it comes to college majors, plenty of biologists and chemists sure would've like to major in theatre or history, but they didn't because of job prospects.

We are a nation now where areas have minimum wage at $12/hour and people are now expecting affordable healthcare for being part-time, maybe unskilled labor. I would've liked to ditch high school and skateboard all day, but I knew the rules of the game are to get a job for these types of luxuries (not rights).

Iamtdg just showcased an instance where healthcare was affordable for 30 full-timers in his dept (who knows how many across his university) that had to be laid off because of ACA. In exchange for what, to provide affordable healthcare for thousands of people that couldn't hold down adult time job?

If you thik thats all that benefitted from ACA you are woefully uneducated on the bill.

Did you miss what Skid said about his use of the bill and then realize how many other people are in the same boat who are entrepreneurs.

Using your logic nobody should ever start their own business because its not like busting your ass to get a full time job.

 

[data]

If you thik thats all that benefitted from ACA you are woefully uneducated on the bill.

Did you miss what Skid said about his use of the bill and then realize how many other people are in the same boat who are entrepreneurs.

Using your logic nobody should ever start their own business because its not like busting your ass to get a full time job.

I didn't condemn entrepreneurs nor advocate to completely eliminate ACA.

 

[Jiggyfly]

People wanted change and that's why the election outcome is what it is but the outcry of some would seem to say that party affiliation is more important than the possibility of change because the only one offering change has been rejected by them totally.

Except for that part about 3 million more people voting for Clinton, then you have a point.

And equating it to party affiliation over change is an extremely weak take, that does not factor in that there were 2 extremely flawed candidates and them personally turned off more people than party affiliation.

That outcry is pretty simple, more people actually voted for something other than Trump, than for Trump.

 

[Jiggyfly]

I didn't condemn entrepreneurs nor advocate to completely eliminate ACA.

No you did not but your argument had very little nuance or maybe you thought the ventriloquist added that?

 

[Jiggyfly]

Without reading what you have posted my position is that the CIA is the greatest perpetrator of world disarray .

They are given marching orders, they do not act on there own accords.

With that said even more than Russia?

 

[data]

No you did not but your argument had very little nuance or maybe you thought the ventriloquist added that?

I don't think Skid/entrepreneurs falls into the ventriloquist category. No, my few paragraphs can't possibly have enough nuance to cover all the scenarios. For example, I'm for stuff like continuing affordable healthcare for ~6 months for laid off employees, raising age of dependents to 25, etc.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Except for that part about 3 million more people voting for Clinton, then you have a point.

And equating it to party affiliation over change is an extremely weak take, that does not factor in that there were 2 extremely flawed candidates and them personally turned off more people than party affiliation.

That outcry is pretty simple, more people actually voted for something other than Trump, than for Trump.

The 3 million are
the Contrarians I am referring to. They bemoan the election based on the popular vote knowing full well the official election process is the electoral college. Since the didn't have things their way they have arbitrarily decided that the election is "illegitimate" and they are not bound by governing rule.

 

[L.T. Fan]

They are given marching orders, they do not act on there own accords.

With that said even more than Russia?

You are naïve. They even raise their own funds to carry out their agendas around the world.

http://whowhatwhy.org/2014/12/12/cia-funding-never-constrained-congressional-budget/

Start with this.

 

[2233boys]

The 3 million are
the Contrarians I am referring to. They bemoan the election based on the popular vote knowing full well the official election process is the electoral college. Since the didn't have things their way they have arbitrarily decided that the election is "illegitimate" and they are not bound by governing rule.

Kind of like the minority of people bemoaned the elections in 08 and 12, including Trump. When Obama won both the Electoral College and the Popular vote, they just made shit up to claim he was illegitimate.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Kind of like the minority of people bemoaned the elections in 08 and 12, including Trump. When Obama won both the Electoral College and the Popular vote, they just made shit up to claim he was illegitimate.

If they did they were wrong because the popular vote has never been the vechicle for the presidential elections. It's is simply a sour grapes tool to vent. Obviously the sour grapes position begats sour grapes antics.

 

[Jiggyfly]

The 3 million are
the Contrarians I am referring to. They bemoan the election based on the popular vote knowing full well the official election process is the electoral college. Since the didn't have things their way they have arbitrarily decided that the election is "illegitimate" and they are not bound by governing rule.

Ok so now its Ok to lump people together based on little empirical evidence.

What exactly are you basing this assumption of what all those 3 million are bemoaning?

Were you not the one crying about being lumped into a certain category of Trump voter?

So why are you grouping people now?

 

[Jiggyfly]

You are naïve. They even raise their own funds to carry out their agendas around the world.

http://whowhatwhy.org/2014/12/12/cia-funding-never-constrained-congressional-budget/

Start with this.

What does any of that have to do with getting marching orders?

They are tasked with certain missions and then they figure out how to get funding off the books.

You need to read your own material.

Right in the link you posted.

Khashoggi in effect served as a “cutout,” or representative, in a number of operations forbidden to the CIA and the companies he worked with. Lockheed, for one, was conspicuously absent from the list of military contractors who contributed illicitly to Nixon’s 1972 election campaign. But there was no law prohibiting their official representative, Khashoggi, from cycling $200 million through the bank of Nixon’s friend Bebe Rebozo. (13) (Pierre Salinger heard from Khashoggi that in 1972 he had donated $1 million to Nixon, corroborating the often-heard claim that Khashoggi had brought it in a briefcase to Nixon’s western White House in San Clemente, and then “forgotten” to take it away.) (14)

Like said the CIA is given marching orders and in this instance it was the Nixon administration.

And the Contra CIA stuff was at the behest of the Reagan administration.

I am well read on the history of CIA activities.

 

[L.T. Fan]

What does any of that have to do with getting marching orders?

They are tasked with certain missions and then they figure out how to get funding off the books.

You need to read your own material.

Right in the link you posted.



Like said the CIA is given marching orders and in this instance it was the Nixon administration.

And the Contra CIA stuff was at the behest of the Reagan administration.

I am well read on the history of CIA activities.

Ever read Ollie North's stuff? A good part of his career was dedicated to clandestine activities to raise money to use for agendas for the CIA to develop their dirty tricks around the globe. But regardless it's my view that the CIA is largely responsible on their own agenda for a great deal of the international tensions. So accept it or no but I am of that persuasion. And what is has to do with marching orders is that they sometimes make their own marching orders independently of administrations.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Ok so now its Ok to lump people together based on little empirical evidence.

What exactly are you basing this assumption of what all those 3 million are bemoaning?

Were you not the one crying about being lumped into a certain category of Trump voter?

So why are you grouping people now?

Watch the news, read Facebook, assess the percentage of opinions on this site. There are tons indications that pretty much give a reasonable representation.

 

[Kbrown]

If the CIA acts strictly under marching orders, then there should be an investigation into who in the Obama administration gave the order to leak their briefing of Trump and Obama on that dossier.

 

[L.T. Fan]

If the CIA acts strictly under marching orders, then there should be an investigation into who in the Obama administration gave the order to leak their briefing of Trump and Obama on that dossier.

One would think so. Obviously it would be denied or confirm that the Agency acted independently.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Can I prop Trump for not doing this?

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