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Simpleton

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You have to try harder to mine some schlub like Landon Cohen out of nowhere than to actually bring in someone who might be able to play?

Where in the hell do they pull some of these jokers from?
 

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Mid-Day Report: Shuffling Up On The Defensive Line

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Rowan Kavner DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer

OXNARD, Calif. – The Cowboys are now a few days through training camp, as they prepare for their Wednesday late afternoon practice following a morning walkthrough and head coach Jason Garrett’s press conference.

Here are some notes on the conference and what’s occurred already on Wednesday:

•Garrett confirmed the Cowboys will be bringing in a couple players on the defensive line for depth with Anthony Spencer and Jay Ratliff both nursing injuries. Those players will likely be George Selvie and Landon Cohen. “We’re going to try to address that with some guys we think have a shot to compete for us in some way for us.”


•Ratliff is still rehabbing his hamstring, which he hurt during the conditioning test. Garrett doesn’t anticipate him being back for at least a week or two weeks.


•In fact, none of the injured guys are expected back at practice later in the day. Garrett said they’re all working their way back and are hoping to get some players back Friday.


•Matt Johnson doesn’t apply there, as he only missed a small portion of practice Tuesday with cramps. Garrett said the safety just needs to be able to play more after a plethora of injuries kept him out last year, because his instincts are there. He’s a player the team may have to dial back occasionally to keep healthy.

“He has had a history of some hamstring issues. We didn’t think it was that (yesterday). There are some guys on your team…who sometimes you have to protect them from themselves…Matt’s one of those guys. We’ve got to make sure he’s healthy and fresh and rolling. He’s had a good first few days of training camp.”


•Ben Bass was playing primarily defensive tackle, but he joined the first-team during the walkthrough at defensive end across the line from DeMarcus Ware. Garrett said he wants to give other guys, in addition to Kyle Wilber, a chance after Spencer’s injury. “Spence isn’t here, and Bass has done a really good job for us. He’s an instinctive player. He has a little bit of a knack for making plays.”


•Rod Marinelli said after the walkthrough that he wouldn’t have moved Bass out to end if it weren’t for other injuries throughout the line. Bass has come a long way already from where he was at on the practice squad last year, getting stronger in the offseason to be able to participate down after down.

“That’s an important value that we have in our organization, that it really doesn’t matter where you come from,” Garrett said. “Look at these guys, give them an opportunity to let them show you what they can do and then try to make your best decision. He’s just one of those guys. We were really, really impressed with him.”


•Garrett said the transition for Wilber wasn’t necessarily to slow from linebacker to defensive end, but he needs to get stronger. Garrett expects with more experience that’ll happen.


•In addition to Bass, Garrett said Jason Hatcher is a player capable of moving around to different positions on the line. He’s been playing strictly defensive tackle thus far, but that could change as camp goes on.


•There’s a difference between the right defensive end and the left defensive end in the new defense. “The defensive right guy is really the elite pass rusher. If you think about most teams in the NFL, and this is a huge generalization, are right-handed teams.”


•Monte Kiffin’s passion had an effect on Garrett, who said the defensive coordinator “blew them away” during the coaches clinic the Cowboys were involved in before leaving for camp.


•Garrett has to balance the good and the bad after J.J. Wilcox shows his aggression. The rookie laid a noticeable hit on teammate Phillip Tanner during the first full-pads practice. "Don't do that, but keep doing that," Garrett said.


•Bryant could become a team captain, but the decision will be up to the players. “It’s premature. We’ll vote on that at the end of the preseason.” Garrett said captain or not, it doesn’t stop people from being leaders.


•Garrett said new special teams coach Rich Bisaccia influences more than his own group during special teams drills. “I was with him in 2004 and I was on a practice field for about 10 minutes and I said wow who is that, that’s how you coach ball. He had such an impact on that football team.”




•Garrett didn’t see anything wrong during the 1-on-1 drills with the coverage Morris Claiborne had against Dez Bryant. “Dez has those traits to be able to understand where that defender is, see the ball and just react to it and go get it. It’s a great battle. We’ll do 1-on-1s really each and every day in some form or fashion.”


•Rookie free agent Eric Rogers is learning quickly and has shown early he can go get the football, which has caught Garrett’s eye.


•If a player jumps offsides or there’s a pre-snap penalty, Garrett will continue taking that group out and going to the next. Ones will shift out for the twos and the twos to threes for accountability.
 

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You have to try harder to mine some schlub like Landon Cohen out of nowhere than to actually bring in someone who might be able to play?

Where in the hell do they pull some of these jokers from?
They have it down to a skill. I have never seen anything like it. They have complete aversion to any veteran who actually has shown they can play in this league.

It is almost like they are A) in don't give a shit mode; B) trying too hard to be clever (nobody will ever expect us to sign two guys from the worst DL in football over the past five years muahahahahaha) or C) just fricking cheap.
 

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Jerry on the Find-A-Schlub DL Initiative:

“We’ve got a lot of options. We really do relative to what we’ve got. But we’re evaluating what is there, because of our numbers. We’ve got to watch practicing [with so few linemen]. That would be more the incentive to get somebody in here to practice than it would be to think we’re bringing somebody in to help us.”


Did that make any MFing sense?
 

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Jerry on the Find-A-Schlub DL Initiative:

“We’ve got a lot of options. We really do relative to what we’ve got. But we’re evaluating what is there, because of our numbers. We’ve got to watch practicing [with so few linemen]. That would be more the incentive to get somebody in here to practice than it would be to think we’re bringing somebody in to help us.”


Did that make any MFing sense?
He just wants this team to fail.
 

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Jerry on the Find-A-Schlub DL Initiative:

“We’ve got a lot of options. We really do relative to what we’ve got. But we’re evaluating what is there, because of our numbers. We’ve got to watch practicing [with so few linemen]. That would be more the incentive to get somebody in here to practice than it would be to think we’re bringing somebody in to help us.”


Did that make any MFing sense?
Yes, let me translate.

Translation: I have no fucking clue what I'm doing.
 

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Yeah...you really laid into him. Quit being such a taskmaster.
Yeah, you're not being critical enough of someone if you arent calling them names, insulting their mother or stealing their lunch money, right?
 

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Ben Bass taking first-team reps at DE

July, 24, 2013

By Calvin Watkins | ESPNDallas.com


OXNARD, Calif. -- Cowboys defensive end Anthony Spencer will have surgery Thursday to repair a balky left knee and could be out as long as three weeks.

In the meantime, undrafted second-year player Ben Bass is making the most of his opportunity to see more reps at practice with the first team.

"Oh man, I thought he had a really good OTAs and I think he's a big good-looking athlete," defensive line coach Rod Marinelli said of Bass. "He's a guy who can move. What you try to do is create position flexibility, so he's worked inside, I like him inside, I'm looking at him at some end.

"For now, he gives you a big 290-pound left end you can use in the run game. You got to be careful with that approach and not give him too many things to do. You want to make him good first and then adjust. This was an opportunity to give him some work and see how he looks out there."

If not for injuries along the defensive line, Marineli would prefer to keep Bass at defensive tackle. But when you lose four linemen less than five days into training camp, plans can get altered.

And what does this say about Kyle Wilber? He replaced Spencer first but now has been moved to the second-team defense.

The Cowboys moved Wilber from outside linebacker to defensive end in the offseason, but it appears he is still getting used to the switch.

"Not necessarily," coach Jason Garrett said when asked whether Wilber's development to end from linebacker has been slow. "Kyle missed some time last year with injuries, and like I said the other day, we drafted him as a 3-4 outside linebacker. A number of the guys on our team have played that spot and they're making the transition and he's a younger player. So we spent last year trying to figure out that position (linebacker). In a two-point stance, all the challenges those guys have, and now he's back to having to put his hand on the ground. He works very hard, he's a really good kid, he too needs to get stronger and just develop his body more. With experience and playing time, I think he'll continue to grow."
 

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Jerry on the Find-A-Schlub DL Initiative:

“We’ve got a lot of options. We really do relative to what we’ve got. But we’re evaluating what is there, because of our numbers. We’ve got to watch practicing [with so few linemen]. That would be more the incentive to get somebody in here to practice than it would be to think we’re bringing somebody in to help us.”


Did that make any MFing sense?
Basically he wants a camp body, not somebody that could actually have a chance at making the roster. By the way, what I just said still doesn't make sense.
 

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Basically he wants a camp body, not somebody that could actually have a chance at making the roster. By the way, what I just said still doesn't make sense.
What kind of message does that send when your coach keeps talking about competition?

It shoots that message to shit is what it does.

Here you go guys, for camp, we will bring you the absolute shittiest guys we can find. Only about five of you will really have to compete for a roster spot...everyone else...just work hard, mmmkay?
 

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Nick Eatman ‏@nickeatman 35s
Cowboys signed DE George Selvie and DT Landon Cohen ... waived WR Lavasier Tuinei, who never practiced because he failed conditioning test
 

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Jerry on the Find-A-Schlub DL Initiative:

“We’ve got a lot of options. We really do relative to what we’ve got. But we’re evaluating what is there, because of our numbers. We’ve got to watch practicing [with so few linemen]. That would be more the incentive to get somebody in here to practice than it would be to think we’re bringing somebody in to help us.”


Did that make any MFing sense?
:lol

I hate the way that bastard talks.

You need a code book to decipher his speak.
 

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Nick Eatman ‏@nickeatman 35s
Cowboys signed DE George Selvie and DT Landon Cohen ... waived WR Lavasier Tuinei, who never practiced because he failed conditioning test
Schlub-O-Rama.
 

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Jerry on the Find-A-Schlub DL Initiative:

“We’ve got a lot of options. We really do relative to what we’ve got. But we’re evaluating what is there, because of our numbers. We’ve got to watch practicing [with so few linemen]. That would be more the incentive to get somebody in here to practice than it would be to think we’re bringing somebody in to help us.”


Did that make any MFing sense?
 

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Todd Archer ‏@toddarcher 1m
Phil Costa getting work as first team LG early here.
 

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Phil Costa getting work as first team LG early here.
I have very little faith in this experiment or Phil Costa in general but him or the guards is practically a tossup in shittiness.
 
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