Expert Witness: Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman when teen was shot

[2233boys]

He only followed him too because he had a gun. Guarantee that guy doesn't follow him if he wasn't armed.

 

[Kbrown]

He put himself in the situation and he was grown ass man following around a kid. Fight back with your fists.

Thankfully your personal code of honor is irrelevant to the law.

 

[skidadl]

He put himself in the situation and he was grown ass man following around a kid. Fight back with your fists.

To be fair lots of black kids appear to be grown.

 

[Kbrown]

Since the "he shoulda" is in play, Trayvon Martin shoulda called the police and told them a creepy jerk was following him around.

 

[boozeman]

He only followed him too because he had a gun. Guarantee that guy doesn't follow him if he wasn't armed.

So what?

 

[Kbrown]

So what?

The guy is the type of jerk who annoys 2233, therefore, murder.

 

[boozeman]

Heh. I had no idea the jury was all women. Shows how much attention I have been paying to this.

 

[Deuce]

He put himself in the situation and he was grown ass man following around a kid. Fight back with your fists.

Didnt Zimmerman say that he felt TM's hand going for his gun so that's why he pulled it in the first place? I assume you think GZ should have just thrown it aside so they could carry on with a fist fight.

 

[2233boys]

Since the "he shoulda" is in play, Trayvon Martin shoulda called the police and told them a creepy jerk was following him around.

I said as much

 

[2233boys]

So what?

If you don't get why that's an issue then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[2233boys]

Didnt Zimmerman say that he felt TM's hand going for his gun so that's why he pulled it in the first place? I assume you think GZ should have just thrown it aside so they could carry on with a fist fight.

We don't know that at all

 

[2233boys]

The guy is the type of jerk who annoys 2233, therefore, murder.

I didn't say it was murder.

 

[Deuce]

There's a group of people outside the courthouse with their "Justice 4 Trayvon" sign and oh look, the Black a panthers have shown up.

 

[2233boys]

I really hope no matter what happens people listen to Trayvon's parents and accept the decision.

 

[boozeman]

I really hope no matter what happens people listen to Trayvon's parents and accept the decision.

What makes you think they would be accepting of the court's decision if he were acquitted?

 

[Smitty]

I think he should be convicted because he shot and killed a kid.

You are allowed to use deadly force to stop serious injury.

He used deadly force when it wasn't needed.

Depends on what he believed, though.

 

[Smitty]

We don't know that at all

Actually, we do know that is what Zimmerman said.

 

[Smitty]

I guess the bottom line is I don't believe it was justifiable to use deadly force. He initiated the confrontation by his actions. He may have not thrown the first punch but his actions lead to the altercation.

Unfortunately for your argument, following someone around, which causes that person to snap and then smash your head into the ground, does not eliminate your right to self defense. You are basically saying that because Zimmerman did something to make Martin mad, he can't defend himself. That is dumb.

Your argument is akin to saying if I call you an insult, and then you start smashing my head into the concrete, I can't stop you with a gun either, because I "initiated" the confrontation by saying something or doing something to piss you off. Sorry, it's not "initiating" a conflict unless you throw the first blow.

Zimmerman might have been wrong to profile Martin, but you want to make the murder conviction about the "wrong" of the profiling. That's not how it works if we believe the rest of the story.

Now maybe you don't believe that Martin threw the first punch, maybe you don't believe that Martin was on top of Zimmerman bashing his head in, etc, but if all those things were true, then Zimmerman can shoot him regardless of whether he pissed off Martin by following him.

 

[2233boys]

I didn't say that Smitty try again.

 

[2233boys]

Actually, we do know that is what Zimmerman said.

We don't know that it happened at all.