10 dead in Oregon Community College shooting

[townsend]

What we know so far:


Authorities responded to reports of a shooting at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon at 10:38 a.m. local time.
At least 10 people were killed and 20 others wounded, according to initial reports.
The shooter, a male, is reportedly in custody, though it's unclear if the gunman is dead.
A spokeswoman for the Douglas County Sheriff's Office said “there is no longer a threat” at the community college.
A news conference is expected shortly.

 

[Smitty]

This trend is getting real old.

 

[townsend]

I'm gonna guess solitary gawky, skinny, white kid, some history of mental illness, some can't miss warning signs that roommates and family ignored.

 

[boozeman]

This trend is getting real old.

I remember when Columbine was a big deal.

Now it is like a shoulder shrug because nobody gives a shit.

 

[townsend]

I remember when Columbine was a big deal.

Now it is like a shoulder shrug because nobody gives a shit.

I think everyone wants to give a shit. But there's effectively nothing to be done about it. It's like hearing a bad medical report for an ailing relative. It hurts, but you knew it was coming.

 

[boozeman]

I think everyone wants to give a shit. But there's effectively nothing to be done about it. It's like hearing a bad medical report for an ailing relative. It hurts, but you knew it was coming.

But why is that?

Because there is a bunch of gun crazy nuts versus a bunch of hypersensitive nancies that have created gridlock?

Gun control has happened in other civilized countries. You know cool countries. Where somehow pot smoking is okay and there is gun control too.

You can never stop nutcases.

But with a country as broad as ours and with so many socioeconomic issues to deal with, it is going to continue until someone decides enough is enough.

And then the lobbyists and corrupt fucking politicians being allowed to exist unfettered, well, it is what it is.

Anyone that suggests a damn thing about gun control gets labelled a liberal, an extremist or just a moron.

I don't own a gun. Never felt I needed one. My brother owns dozens, and keeps a well stocked arsenal.

To each their own. This they wanna tak ar gunz mentality is just what keeps reasonable changes from happening.

And there are shithead politicians swooping in on that ignorant subset of society and making a platform.

 

[Cotton]

But why is that?

Because there is a bunch of gun crazy nuts versus a bunch of hypersensitive nancies that have created gridlock?

Gun control has happened in other civilized countries. You know cool countries. Where somehow pot smoking is okay and there is gun control too.

You can never stop nutcases.

But with a country as broad as ours and with so many socioeconomic issues to deal with, it is going to continue until someone decides enough is enough.

And then the lobbyists and corrupt fucking politicians being allowed to exist unfettered, well, it is what it is.

Anyone that suggests a damn thing about gun control gets labelled a liberal, an extremist or just a moron.

I don't own a gun. Never felt I needed one. My brother owns dozens, and keeps a well stocked arsenal.

To each their own. This they wanna tak ar gunz mentality is just what keeps reasonable changes from happening.

And there are shithead politicians swooping in on that ignorant subset of society and making a platform.

And, heeeeeeeeere we go. What exactly are those reasonable gun regulations that would have stopped this shooting. This exact shooting. What could have been in plae that would have stopped it?

I'm getting really fucking sick of the president in particular using these horrific events to push an agenda. It's to the point of ridiculous at this point.

 

[boozeman]

And, heeeeeeeeere we go. What exactly are those reasonable gun regulations that would have stopped this shooting. This exact shooting. What could have been in plae that would have stopped it?

I'm getting really fucking sick of the president in particular using these horrific events to push an agenda. It's to the point of ridiculous at this point.

Nobody pushes anything "reasonable".

That's the problem.

It is just like abortion.

Extreme side to get votes and money. The other extreme to do the same.

This country lives off of being divided.

I guess that is the "American Way" but most people have no fucking clue what the founding fathers meant by a damn thing they sat down and wrote out.

They just take it to mean I can be a lazy fuck, I can do what I want, I don't have to follow rules and fuck you if you try to suggest otherwise.

 

[Cotton]

Nobody pushes anything "reasonable".

That's the problem.

It is just like abortion.

Extreme side to get votes and money. The other extreme to do the same.

This country lives off of being divided.

I guess that is the "American Way" but most people have no fucking clue what the founding fathers meant by a damn thing they sat down and wrote out.

They just take it to mean I can be a lazy fuck, I can do what I want, I don't have to follow rules and fuck you if you try to suggest otherwise.

I should have been more clear. What IS a reasonable regulatory action that could have been taken to stop this exact type of thing happening? Hell, the kid could have stolen the gun from his dad. So, do you we ban all guns? That's not going to happen, and would be a really stupid fucking thing to do if it were even discussed.

I'm on the side that thinks that better mental health approaches would help the issue. It wouldn't solve it because there will always be some lunatic that the medical approach doesn't help. But, it's a damn sight better than not addressing the mental issues that seem to be causing these shootings.

 

[boozeman]

I should have been more clear. What IS a reasonable regulatory action that could have been taken to stop this exact type of thing happening? Hell, the kid could have stolen the gun from his dad. So, do you we ban all guns? That's not going to happen, and would be a really stupid fucking thing to do if it were even discussed.

I'm on the side that thinks that better mental health approaches would help the issue. It wouldn't solve it because there will always be some lunatic that the medical approach doesn't help. But, it's a damn sight better than not addressing the mental issues that seem to be causing these shootings.

The mental health issues in this country are going to continue because frankly, those that need mental health care aren't those that can afford it.

You will never see any type of funding go towards that. It just doesn't happen.

That is the most inefficient and frankly limited way to approach the issue.

I won't pretend to have a solution, but take care of the crazy people is one of the dumbest I have ever heard of.

Take a look at gun reform measures in other countries.

Then get back to me if you think this works.

 

[1bigfan13]

As I said on Twitter, there are no easy fixes to get these senseless mass shooting under control. But regardless of which side of the debate you're on, I think we can all agree that the status quo isn't working.

I'll admit I don't have a solution that will appease both sides.

But I'm damn tired of having to look over my shoulder while doing "low risk" activities such as attending movies, church, and school events.

 

[boozeman]

As I said on Twitter, there are no easy fixes to get these senseless mass shooting under control. But regardless of which side of the debate you're on, I think we can all agree that the status quo isn't working.

I'll admit I don't have a solution that will appease both sides.

But I'm damn tired of having to look over my shoulder while doing "low risk" activities such as attending movies, church, and school events.

But most don't see it is not working.

YOU TRYIN TO TAK MAH GUNZ??

 

[Cotton]

The mental health issues in this country are going to continue because frankly, those that need mental health care aren't those that can afford it.

You will never see any type of funding go towards that. It just doesn't happen.

That is the most inefficient and frankly limited way to approach the issue.

I won't pretend to have a solution, but take care of the crazy people is one of the dumbest I have ever heard of.

Take a look at gun reform measures in other countries.

Then get back to me if you think this works.

Taking a look at other countries doesn't really tell us anything. Our culture is different from any on the planet, so comparing what another country does doesn't really tell us how it might be effective or ineffective here.

 

[1bigfan13]

The mental health issues in this country are going to continue because frankly, those that need mental health care aren't those that can afford it.

You will never see any type of funding go towards that. It just doesn't happen.

That is the most inefficient and frankly limited way to approach the issue.

I won't pretend to have a solution, but take care of the crazy people is one of the dumbest I have ever heard of.

Take a look at gun reform measures in other countries.

Then get back to me if you think this works.

I lived in Germany for 5 years and I can only remember one incident where there was a mass shooting. Sometime in early 2009 a teenager shot up a high school.

Other than that it was very quite as far as mass shooting incidents are concerned.

Meanwhile here in America we can barely go a month w/o something like this happening.

Regarding the mental health issue, I don't think it's necessarily people with mental disorders who are the problem. I think it's just the American mindset as a whole. We feel we have the freedom to say and do damn near anything that we please.

Aside from that I think there are several contributing factors. I'm not qualified to delve deeply into them; just sharing my opinion based on what I've been exposed to.

 

[boozeman]

Taking a look at other countries doesn't really tell us anything. Our culture is different from any on the planet, so comparing what another country does doesn't really tell us how it might be effective or ineffective here.

Australia is very similar.

 

[Cotton]

As I said on Twitter, there are no easy fixes to get these senseless mass shooting under control. But regardless of which side of the debate you're on, I think we can all agree that the status quo isn't working.

I'll admit I don't have a solution that will appease both sides.

But I'm damn tired of having to look over my shoulder while doing "low risk" activities such as attending movies, church, and school events.

I'm damn tired of it, too. Just a couple of weeks ago this guy sat behind me and my wife at a movie and I was constantly listening/glancing over my shoulder at him. He showed no reason for me to do so, but with all of the crazy ass shit that has happened lately, I couldn't help myself. It's extremely frustrating.

But, again, I don't have a verifiable solution. My best shot is the mental health approach which has not been tried at all. And, to be perfectly frank, I don't even know how that would look. I can tell you that I think free mental care would be a helluva lot better investment than the bullshit Obama has rolled out for free public healthcare.

 

[Cotton]

Australia is very similar.

So, just fuck the constitution. Got it.

 

[townsend]

In my opinion gun control really isn't a solution at all. I'm not a gun enthusiast by any means. But it feels like having to argue against the Patriot act. Yes there was a tragedy, no your dumb law won't stop it from happening again.

It's not even a "mental health" issue. It's that we raised a generation of boys who are narcissistic creeps, with ridiculous senses of entitlement. We just never gave them anything to do, now one out of every million of them decides that they're going to kill people to give their meaningless existence a punctuation mark.

I don't know how you fix that.

 

[Cotton]

But most don't see it is not working.

YOU TRYIN TO TAK MAH GUNZ??

You keep saying that like it's not a valid concern. You either don't understand the reason for the second amendment or are recklessly ignoring it.

 

[Cotton]

In my opinion gun control really isn't a solution at all. I'm not a gun enthusiast by any means. But it feels like having to argue against the Patriot act. Yes there was a tragedy, no your dumb law won't stop it from happening again.

It's not even a "mental health" issue. It's that we raised a generation of boys who are narcissistic creeps, with ridiculous senses of entitlement. We just never gave them anything to do, now one out of every million of them decides that they're going to kill people to give their meaningless existence a punctuation mark.

I don't know how you fix that.

I think this is a big part of it.