Texas high school players suspended, may face charges for hitting referee from behind

Clay_Allison

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Now it does suck that for all we know these two boys might grow into perfectly decent men with 10 to 20 years of perspective. That might be true of rapists, school shooters, and Randy Moss as well. But the issue we need to look at there is how to give former violent criminals second chances, not how to let current violent criminals off without proportionate repercussions for their actions.
Maybe society should be more into corporal punishment. Getting your ass beat for doing something assaultive seems like a more fitting punishment than never being able to get a job again and being forced to sell drugs to make money, then spending the rest of your life in and out of prison.
 

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Assistant Mack Breed told John Jay principal he ordered ref hits in anger

John Barr, ESPN.com

SAN ANTONIO -- An assistant coach at John Jay High School in San Antonio told his school principal that he ordered his players to hit a referee in a Sept. 4 game out of anger that the official used racist language, according to evidence obtained by Outside the Lines.

In a signed statement detailing his interactions with the head coach after the game, John Jay High School principal Robert Harris says the team's secondary coach, Mack Breed, admitted he "directed the students to make the referee pay for his racial comments and calls."

On Wednesday, 15-year-old John Jay sophomore Victor Rojas and 17-year-old senior Michael Moreno attended disciplinary hearings at the Northside Independent School District headquarters in San Antonio. Afterward, district officials said they would release information about any consequences for Rojas and Moreno "because both are minors and protected by the Federal Educational Rights and Privacy Act."

On Sept. 4, Rojas and Moreno blindsided official Robert Watts late in the fourth quarter of a game in Marble Falls, Texas, on a deliberate tackle from behind -- captured on video -- that has now been seen on YouTube by more than 11 million people.

According to a sideline source and the accounts provided to Outside the Lines of four John Jay players, Watts used the N-word twice during the game, once before and once after the infamous hits, and also used language offensive to Hispanics.

Watts has declined to comment, but his attorney, Alan Goldberger, said Watts denies he used racist remarks of any kind.

Wednesday's hearings were not be open to the public, but the statement from Harris provides a window into some of the evidence the hearing officer will consider when handing down a punishment to Rojas and Moreno.

Harris, who attended the game at Marble Falls, indicated he did not see Rojas or Moreno hit Watts late in the fourth quarter. Harris wrote in his statement that John Jay head coach Gary Gutierrez called him several times as the team made the nearly 90-mile trip home after the game, informing him that two John Jay players struck an official.

After reaching the school, Harris wrote, Gutierrez eventually met face-to-face with Harris in Harris' car in the school parking lot.

"He then informed me that Coach Breed had disclosed to him [Gutierrez] that he directed the players to take out the referee," Harris wrote. "[Gutierrez] stated that Coach Breed initially asked him what was going to happen to the players during their ride home from the game. After Coach Gutierrez informed him that the players would be removed from the team, he informed Coach Gutierrez that he directed the players to strike the referee."

That meeting, in the early-morning hours of Sept. 5, was followed by another meeting in Harris' office, at 6 p.m. that same day.

"I later met with Coach Breed at John Jay High School ... in my office in the presence of Coach Gutierrez," Harris wrote. "Coach Breed told me that he directed the students to make the referee pay for his racial comments and calls. He wanted to take full responsibility for his actions. Mr. Breed at one point during our conversation stated that he should have handled the referee himself."

Breed has declined to comment publicly about what he told his players. He is expected to attend a hearing of the University Interscholastic League on Thursday in Round Rock, Texas, at which time the governing body of Texas high school athletics could sanction Breed and John Jay's football program.

"If found guilty of violating the Student Code of Conduct, the range of consequences could range from assignment to alternative school to expulsion," a school district spokesperson said.

Rojas and Moreno already have been assigned to an alternative school and are prohibited from even watching John Jay games as spectators. In an interview with Outside the Lines last week, they said it was Breed, whom they both said they consider a "second father," who ordered them to hit Watts. Rojas and Moreno said Breed had grown increasingly angry about penalties, ejections and the alleged racial slurs by Watts.

John Barr is an investigative reporter in ESPN's Enterprise Unit.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13721638/john-jay-assistant-mack-breed-admitted-ordering-players-hit-referee-response-alleged-racist-comments-bad-calls


Guess it is a good thing we held off on the shootings until the entire story came out
 

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Such a fucked up situation. The coach should never have a job in coaching or teaching ever again, obviously. But, I don't waver on my belief that the kids should never play football ever again. At least not in this state or at this level.
 

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Such a fucked up situation. The coach should never have a job in coaching or teaching ever again, obviously. But, I don't waver on my belief that the kids should never play football ever again. At least not in this state or at this level.
When you're a kid and an adult is telling you to do something? And you know that if you don't you're not going to probably play anymore? I'm not absolving the kid of blame, but man it would be pretty hard to say no. I don't know if you played highschool football but for me at least it meant everything to be on the field starting and playing. I know many players on the team who would have done almost anything on a football field that a coach told them to do.
 

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When you're a kid and an adult is telling you to do something? And you know that if you don't you're not going to probably play anymore? I'm not absolving the kid of blame, but man it would be pretty hard to say no. I don't know if you played highschool football but for me at least it meant everything to be on the field starting and playing. I know many players on the team who would have done almost anything on a football field that a coach told them to do.
We set coaches up to be ultimate authority figures, to the point that they are allowed to do things, like getting away with swearing at kids and inflicting physical punishments that we would never allow teachers to do in the classroom, then people are surprised the kids do what they are told.
 

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We set coaches up to be ultimate authority figures, to the point that they are allowed to do things, like getting away with swearing at kids and inflicting physical punishments that we would never allow teachers to do in the classroom, then people are surprised the kids do what they are told.
It's not even just the crazy coaches. I mean football players are conditioned to listen to their coach. When you don't do what they want you run, or you do berpes or you do something. I don't think you can turn around and be surprised that a football players does what his coach requests even if it is a ridiculous request. Not sure how I would deal with the players but I honestly thought they were making the stuff up about their coach.
 

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You know right from wrong, even as a teenager. Obviously if a coach says to literally murder the ref, the player should ignore that order. So where is the line?

What did take place is of course a lesser offense than murder, but I don't think it's hard to understand that the result of the actions that did take place could have been very serious, such as broken bones, soft tissue tears, concussion, even permanent disability or paralysis.

In my opinion, assuming the coach did order this, that doesn't absolve the players in any way. It simply casts a wider net of guilt. The coach absolutely should lose his job and probably go to jail.
 

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Also, to correct something said above, this was battery not assault.
 

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It could also be considered assault...
I'm not familiar with TX law at all, but I thought generally an assault is an imminent apprehension of a battery. If the victim didn't see it coming, can it be assault? Admittedly I am not 100 percent familiar with the facts here.
 

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I'm not familiar with TX law at all, but I thought generally an assault is an imminent apprehension of a battery. If the victim didn't see it coming, can it be assault? Admittedly I am not 100 percent familiar with the facts here.
No idea about Texas law personally. Assault covers imminent apprehension as well as actual physical contact. In the State of Missouri for example we classify them all as assault charges. A misdemeanor assault case here for example covers a person who receives the unwanted touching but it also covers a person in apprehension of immediate physical injury. Higher degree assaults result from increased injury or increased risk of injury.

Battery on the other hand is only cases where a person is contacted.
 
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