The Great Police Work Thread

[Cowboysrock55]

I said the laws are the same in Ferguson just like everywhere else in the country.

You do realize that most criminal laws are different from state to state...

I know that's not really your point though. The problem is you're assuming that every person who gets a ticket, is arrested, has a warrant issued is actually guilty. The problem is that's not really the case. In a poor neighborhood where attorneys are too expensive to afford. Often times people plead guilty to things they didn't do because they have no other option. The municipal system in the state of Missouri is getting overhauled because of the abuses in Ferguson. I'm not sure why you're struggling to see that there were serious problems with what the police force was doing in Ferguson. Not just simply that guilty people were being arrested for breaking the law.

Personally I don't like to bring race into this discussion at all. I simply care that police officers obey the rules and laws like we expect everyone else to. The problem is that officers often times get the impression or feeling that they are above the law. Obvious reason for this is because prosecutors don't want to go after them. Fellow officers don't want to go after them. So in reality, they are treated above the law. No one deserves special treatment.

 

[townsend]

I said the laws are the same in Ferguson just like everywhere else in the country. It's not the system's fault people can't obey the law. It's the same victim mentality that is plaguing this country right now. And, yeah, it's the part of population that can't obey the law that cause issues. But, you're putting words in my mouth. I never once even insinuated that the racist issues in Ferguson were the population's fault.

I posted this months ago. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/The-Gangsters-Of-Ferguson/386893/

Here's an incident detailed in it.

We spoke with one African-American man who, in August 2014, had an argument in his apartment to which FPD officers responded, and was immediately pulled out of the apartment by force. After telling the officer, “you don’t have a reason to lock me up,” he claims the officer responded: “N*****, I can find something to lock you up on.” When the man responded, “good luck with that,” the officer slammed his face into the wall, and after the man fell to the floor, the officer said, “don’t pass out motherf****r because I’m not carrying you to my car.”

Clear cut example of "victim" mentality.

 

[Cotton]

You do realize that most criminal laws are different from state to state...

I know that's not really your point though. The problem is you're assuming that every person who gets a ticket, is arrested, has a warrant issued is actually guilty. The problem is that's not really the case. In a poor neighborhood where attorneys are too expensive to afford. Often times people plead guilty to things they didn't do because they have no other option. The municipal system in the state of Missouri is getting overhauled because of the abuses in Ferguson. I'm not sure why you're struggling to see that there were serious problems with what the police force was doing in Ferguson. Not just simply that guilty people were being arrested for breaking the law.

From a quote from me just above on this page:

Now, whether it's enforced the same is absolutely debatable.

Personally I don't like to bring race into this discussion at all. I simply care that police officers obey the rules and laws like we expect everyone else to. The problem is that officers often times get the impression or feeling that they are above the law. Obvious reason for this is because prosecutors don't want to go after them. Fellow officers don't want to go after them. So in reality, they are treated above the law. No one deserves special treatment.

I agree with every word of this statement.

 

[Cotton]

I posted this months ago. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/The-Gangsters-Of-Ferguson/386893/

Here's an incident detailed in it.


Clear cut example of "victim" mentality.

So, you're using one incident to try and eradicate my generality?

 

[townsend]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

Detailed incident of the black man who was pulled over and beaten for no reason, and then charged with property damage for bleeding on the officers' uniforms.

Why can't these guys just follow simple rules like everyone else? When an officer violently assaults you, you're supposed to bleed away from him.

 

[townsend]

So, you're using one incident to try and eradicate my generality?

I got more.

 

[Cotton]

I got more.

Even if you show 15 of them it will not disprove the victim mentality that plagues this nation.

 

[Jiggyfly]

http://www.ksat.com/news/exclusive-video-fatal-deputy-involved-shooting

 

[townsend]

So, you're using one incident to try and eradicate my generality?

If you had bothered to read the last few pages I am in fact using facts, anecdotes, statistics, federal investigations, to absolutely refute your dumb generalization based on ignorance.

 

[townsend]

Even if you show 15 of them it will not disprove the victim mentality that plagues this nation.

Show me your anecdotes, statistics, federal investigations, to back that assertion up, and I would believe you.

Right now I see a guy who didn't have to deal with any of this shit, pretending like it's easy.

 

[Cotton]

Show me your anecdotes, statistics, federal investigations, to back that assertion up, and I would believe you.

Right now I see a guy who didn't have to deal with any of this shit, pretending like it's easy.

Millions and millions and millions of people that abuse the welfare system is all I need to see. It's just too bad there is no way to quantify that.

 

[Cotton]

Show me your anecdotes, statistics, federal investigations, to back that assertion up, and I would believe you.

Right now I see a guy who didn't have to deal with any of this shit, pretending like it's easy.

Oh, and you think you have lived a hard life, and I have been fed from a silver spoon my whole life?

 

[townsend]

Millions and millions and millions of people that abuse the welfare system is all I need to see. It's just too bad there is no way to quantify that.

Show me a study on the number of people who abuse the welfare system.

 

[townsend]

Oh, and you think you have lived a hard life, and I have been fed from a silver spoon my whole life?

This isn't about me. I grew up lower middle class, and white. So I've never ever had to deal with the kind of lifestyle that people in Ferguson have.

But if I grew up black and in Ferguson, I probably would have ended up uneducated, and in poverty, and you would have too. Using the understanding of that fact. I use this special tool called "empathy" to envision how miserable that life is.

 

[Cotton]

Show me a study on the number of people who abuse the welfare system.

I guess you have issue with comprehension. Read what I said again.

 

[Cotton]

This isn't about me. I grew up lower middle class, and white. So I've never ever had to deal with the kind of lifestyle that people in Ferguson have.

But if I grew up black and in Ferguson, I probably would have ended up uneducated, and in poverty, and you would have too. Using the understanding of that fact. I use this special tool called "empathy" to envision how miserable that life is.

So, how exactly does the economics of Ferguson have anything to do with what we are talking about? Unless, you're saying that they are so poor they have to steal?

 

[townsend]

I guess you have issue with comprehension. Read what I said again.

Yes and you claim millions and millions and millions of people abuse the welfare system. That these fraudulent recipients are part of a "victim" class. I'd be interested in hard statistics.

My reading comprehension is very good. Your ability to back up any assertion has been terrible so far.

 

[Cotton]

Yes and you claim millions and millions and millions of people abuse the welfare system. That these fraudulent recipients are part of a "victim" class. I'd be interested in hard statistics.

My reading comprehension is very good. Your ability to back up any assertion has been terrible so far.

There. is. no. way. to. quantify. it.

 

[townsend]

So, how exactly does the economics of Ferguson have anything to do with what we are talking about? Unless, you're saying that they are so poor they have to steal?

Now who has reading comprehension issues?

Ferguson extorts its poorest residents with unnecessary fines for things like having their grass too long, or walking in the street, and (as seen above) bleeding on cops uniforms after they beat you. Ferguson residents who can't afford to pay those fines end up going to jail.

 

[townsend]

There. is. no. way. to. quantify. it.

So what you're saying is you have an assertion with little to no proof to back it up, For which there are multiple interpretations for the existing data?

So unlike my points, which I have defended with every type of data short of interpretive dance, you're basing your assessment of an entire group of people on a hunch? An out dated talking point? Rush Limbaugh's mumblings in a fever dream?